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For those not already aware, Alison Johnstone MSP (Scottish Green Party) has tabled a Private Member’s Bill, which if approved would have a severe, negative impact on all forms of hunting with dogs (including terrierwork). It is presently out for public consultation and that consultation period ends on 15th September 2019, which is less than a month away. It’s essential that you and as many other likeminded individuals as possible respond before that date.

Before responding you are advised to read the comments and notes of guidance provided by the Scottish Countryside Alliance and/or Scottish Association of Country Sports. These can be found at: https://www.countryside-alliance.org/getattachment/cd8b72ad-d577-4523-bbcb-5b19a6e89461/Alison-Johnstone-Consultation-Countryside-Alliance-Response_.pdf?lang=en-GB and   https://www.sacs.org.uk/media/uploads/cat-252/banning-fox-and-hare-control-in-scotland-sacs-consultation-guidance-for-members.pdf

The survey is also available online and can be completed at: https://www.smartsurvey.co.uk/s/WildMammals/

Be sure to complete the survey in full, including names and addresses. And no matter how frustrating, or ridiculous you may find some of the proposals, please remember “courtesy at all times”. There's no extra points for belligerence, or rudeness, the purpose of the exercise is to improve awareness, NOT to make any more enemies than we already have.

Kindest Regards - Barrie

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For anyone who has concerns about including their name and address I would stress, that this is a Government based survey of your views and opinions on what's being proposed (nothing more and nothing less). Because it includes personal data it must and will be registered under Data Protection Legislation and as such your privacy is protected and guaranteed by Law.

What individuals choose to do, or not do, is their own personal choice, that's between them and their conscience. But you can be certain that our opponents will be doing just that, along with their grandmother and no doubt the cat next door too.

Barrie

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4 hours ago, dillydog said:

Is this for Scotland Barrie or a UK law ?

The proposed Bill as it stands today only relates to Scotland, but we have all seen the results of the "domino effect" where a new piece of legislation in one part of the U.K. is presented as "progress in animal welfare" and then promoted elsewhere.

With regards to responses. The Scottish Parliament very recently engaged in another public consultation regarding their very own and long awaited Bonomy Review. Their proposal was (and to the best of my knowledge still is), to extend the current Hunting Act in Scotland way beyond Bonomy's recommendations and contrary to the report's recommendations, impose a  limit of TWO hounds when flushing foxes to guns as per in England and Wales (see what I mean about the domino effect). In actual fact Bonomy was very specific and spoke out quite strongly against such a move.

Their justification for over ruling and ignoring Bonomy was that it was "due to overwhelming public demand". What they didn't say was that much of that demand (in fact a significant majority) was from outside of Scotland, it was from elsewhere in the U.K. and even beyond. It's a mistake not to be repeated and as the old saying goes "what's good for the goose is good for the gander".

Kindest Regards - Barrie

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I hope every hunting person (men, women, children, grannies and her cat) care enough to take the time to complete the questionnaire.   

The indifference from hunting people is at times frustrating. We love our rural pastimes yet we are very slow to respond when needed and at the same time our opponents are actively chipping away making it a very one sided argument. Then when laws change lads throw the toys out cribbing that they weren’t informed etc. 

If you have close relations with an address in the area I suggest ye start digging out the family tree and get busy. 

 

 

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Sad really but the days of terrier work is finish and just about every think else it is just how much time is left but it does not fit in know in the modern world wether u like it or not its finished and what u do does not help look at the marchs back in the day it did not help us us there is to many do gooders in this day and age any think u do will no keep it its gone finish.

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6 minutes ago, Turner70 said:

Sad really but the days of terrier work is finish and just about every think else it is just how much time is left but it does not fit in know in the modern world wether u like it or not its finished and what u do does not help look at the marchs back in the day it did not help us us there is to many do gooders in this day and age any think u do will no keep it its gone finish.

Do yea think so turner 

do yea do any terrier work yourself fella or yea just on for a wind up 

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9 minutes ago, Turner70 said:

Sad really but the days of terrier work is finish and just about every think else it is just how much time is left but it does not fit in know in the modern world wether u like it or not its finished and what u do does not help look at the marchs back in the day it did not help us us there is to many do gooders in this day and age any think u do will no keep it its gone finish.

Terrier work has been under the microscope for a very long time... looked at like a cancerous cell..its been through the houses of parliament stormont and the dail, its only because like minded people behind the scenes who terrier work and all to do with wildlife management is their life took there own time personal expences and wrote submissions and met with the relevant authorities that terrier work when conducted correctly and within the law is actually in a better position than it has ever been.. just completed it.. thanks for the heads up Barrie you have and always will be one of the most savvy terrier men I have had the privilege of meeting up with on a couple of occasions...

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Well if u cant see it u never will times change there will always be people who will work there dog but the laws will change again it does not look good for the future ahead weather u work dog or just follow wether u like it or not.

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