Game bred ebt ,any out there?

[Pewit 970]

17 minutes ago, Carlovian said:

he has recorded pedigrees , his dogs came from Armitage , Clark and Colby bloodline , they early dogs he got from them had similar look , if his dogs ware brindle you 'd not even suggest it , no one of his pedigrees show any mention of bull terrier ,

Yep, it doesn't necessarily mean he used bull terrier but maybe the line he ran was more closely related to the dogs used in  bull terriers? As you know, different lines looked different, just a thought.

[jeemes 4,444]

The best thing that happened in the ebt world for many years was the mutated bent head, from a dog named Gladiator I think. A great inbreeding programme began to fix that trait. That tells you a lot about the engineers of the breed and there hopes and dreams for it. Raymond oppenhiemer was a great influence on the breed in his time and imo a great breeder, but his focus was on showing. 

[Carlovian 591]

21 hours ago, Pewit said:

Yep, it doesn't necessarily mean he used bull terrier but maybe the line he ran was more closely related to the dogs used in  bull terriers? As you know, different lines looked different, just a thought.

His dogs dogs trace back to Colby , Armitage and Clark bloodline back to the 1930s

[Pewit 970]

2 hours ago, Carlovian said:

His dogs dogs trace back to Colby , Armitage and Clark bloodline back to the 1930s

I know mate, but rumours are rumours pal. Some of his dogs sure had the Bull Terrier look, but as you know, others have. That's understandable really given that they share common ancestors at some point.

[Carlovian 591]

But these rumors are just made up by people who have Bull terriers or can see how a dog is bred by looking at it . his dogs just did not appear , they are recorded from time he had them , he was a dog fighter and would have had no use for breeding a show dog in to his bloodline , when he had access to winning APBT , below is pedigree of MUTT , a dog most people claim "you can see the bull terrier in him"   a dog with about 50 years of his breedings  with no Bull terrier blood at all

[jeemes 4,444]

11 minutes ago, Carlovian said:

But these rumors are just made up by people who have Bull terriers or can see how a dog is bred by looking at it . his dogs just did not appear , they are recorded from time he had them , he was a dog fighter and would have had no use for breeding a show dog in to his bloodline , when he had access to winning APBT , below is pedigree of MUTT , a dog most people claim "you can see the bull terrier in him"   a dog with about 50 years of his breedings  with no Bull terrier blood at all

I dont think a paper pedigree is a good argument for purity unless you did it all yourself. I think the best argument is just common sense really. Why the hell would a serious competitor outcross to a Ebt even if it was game and had wind, which is very very doubtful. Even the pit dogs of the origional crosses by hinks didnt need to be anything more just a bullterrier, because he was producing something other than a pit dog. A product to sell as pets. He was a dog peddler ( not meant as an insult) and a shop keeper breeding to sell to the dog fancying public. 

[SussexBullX 10]

This post was made 5 years ago so hope original poster found what he was looking for. But I don’t see why people are looking for this “game” English bull terrier especially when you could go down the APBT route which is clearly the ultimate game dog. 

[gnasher16 30,024]

On 10/08/2024 at 20:57, jeemes said:

I dont think a paper pedigree is a good argument for purity unless you did it all yourself. I think the best argument is just common sense really. Why the hell would a serious competitor outcross to a Ebt even if it was game and had wind, which is very very doubtful. Even the pit dogs of the origional crosses by hinks didnt need to be anything more just a bullterrier, because he was producing something other than a pit dog. A product to sell as pets. He was a dog peddler ( not meant as an insult) and a shop keeper breeding to sell to the dog fancying public. 

Im not referring to " bull terriers " as i dont really understand why they even come into discussions about fighting dogs but regarding purity and a paper pedigree.....some of those old timers years ago would be able to tell just from the naked eye if a dog was a pure family dog these men went to extraordinary lengths at times to maintain clean bloodlines they would regard breeding to another family within the breed as a complete outcross....to a different breed completely would just be unimaginable......the reason some of todays dogs can be traced back dog for dog over so long is because of those " paper pedigrees "

Edited August 14 by gnasher16

[jeemes 4,444]

3 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

Im not referring to " bull terriers " as i dont really understand why they even come into discussions about fighting dogs but regarding purity and a paper pedigree.....some of those old timers years ago would be able to tell just from the naked eye if a dog was a pure family dog these men went to extraordinary lengths at times to maintain clean bloodlines they would regard breeding to another family within the breed as a complete outcross....to a different breed completely would just be unimaginable......the reason some of todays dogs can be traced back dog for dog over so long is because of those " paper pedigrees "

I'll take your word for that, I suppose I was thinking of KC pedigrees and general peddlers.