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That old Bucks Otter Hounds print is one of my absolute favourite otter hunting prints. They were originally produced as a fund raiser for the B.O.H. and if my memory serves me right were at that time

White terriers of old       Kilkenny, Ireland 1908        

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29 minutes ago, All-terrain said:

He’s on some them pics mate he’s getting on a bit now, should see he’s albums mate some serious photos, I love his stick collection he’s an otter stick with over 150 studs he’s put in it himself so he’s done a fair bit, atb At 

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A serious collection fair play to the man. I'd love to see it. 

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15 hours ago, All-terrain said:

I walked around he’s old kennels today it was sad mate, he’s lived a life of a huntsman though, and got to hunt some of the best countryside there is, a life devoted to hounds and he followed he’s passion over fifty years, just sad like you say when it all comes to an end, atb At 

Sounds like a man you could spend hours with and the stories would just keep coming. Was it a foot pack he had?

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On 01/06/2019 at 22:05, Rabbit Hunter said:

P3D, what year (roughly) do you think the first black terriers, as we know them today, appeared?

RH,

Some early photographs with Black terriers,

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Before 1930 above.

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Dobson on the left.

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Kendlal Otterhounds 1930

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Spartacus, Great Grandson of Smithy who was born 1972 so this must late 70's , maybe 76-78

Note Gould calls them all Black Fell types.

 

 

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Carlisle Otter Hounds1880, couple of white terriers in front.

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Peter Hills, an 1870s Yorkshire gamekeeper (Anyones guess what is in that white terrier)

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Early Staff, 1910, if you shaved a Wheaton/Kerry  they have a head like this.

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Tinkers Double, An early Sealyham.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

Good pics P3D but still we’re no clearer of when black dogs (as we know them) began to breed true to type are we?

ps. Smithy was born ‘73 and died ‘86.

RH, No, we are no clearer. There are men who have a good understanding of what happened. One guy is writing a book, it should shed light on that time, 1950 to 1990. Hopefully it will get published soon.

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5 hours ago, p3d said:

 

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Carlisle Otter Hounds1880, couple of white terriers in front.

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Peter Hills, an 1870s Yorkshire gamekeeper (Anyones guess what is in that white terrier)

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Early Staff, 1910, if you shaved a Wheaton/Kerry  they have a head like this.

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Tinkers Double, An early Sealyham.

 

 

Not buying it that's an early Staff P3d.... The stafford is well photographed from that time and none look like that.

I'd go for a smooth Irish terrier or crossbred of Irish dogs

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