FAC renewal - Medical Report

[Sausagedog 7,381]

So, if your doctor is a supporter for wild justice we are screwed yes?

[Born Hunter 17,788]

Here in Nott's the licensing dept contact my docs asking for a report, then I get a letter from docs invoicing me before they will give the report. It's the Licensing dept policy to not issue any ticket until they have that report. About 40 quid a go iirc.

Got ya by the balls as there is no standard fee.

[Sausagedog 7,381]

18 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Here in Nott's the licensing dept contact my docs asking for a report, then I get a letter from docs invoicing me before they will give the report. It's the Licensing dept policy to not issue any ticket until they have that report. About 40 quid a go iirc.

Got ya by the balls as there is no standard fee.

That's what they did to me last time. I told my doctor not to send it.

A few weeks later my renewed licence arrived.

[Born Hunter 17,788]

15 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

That's what they did to me last time. I told my doctor not to send it.

A few weeks later my renewed licence arrived.

I wouldn't have a license then mate. Nott's WILL NOT issue if they hear nothing.

Most other forces still issue if they haven't heard anything after asking.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Sausagedog 7,381]

The reason they still issue is because it has not been made law by parliament.

Because some have capitulated it is becoming another lore or unwritten law.

[Born Hunter 17,788]

9 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

The reason they still issue is because it has not been made law by parliament.

Because some have capitulated it is becoming another lore or unwritten law.

You know that for a fact? That they still re-issue? Nott's were the first force to make this policy change and as far as I'm aware only one or two others have followed suit.

Who's jurisdiction are you under?

Edited July 3, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Sausagedog 7,381]

1 minute ago, Born Hunter said:

You know that for a fact? That they still re-issue? Nott's were the first force to make this policy change and as far as I'm aware only one or two others have followed suit.

Has the renewal form changed? Or does it still only ask for permission to approach your doctor and or medical records?

[Born Hunter 17,788]

8 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

Has the renewal form changed? Or does it still only ask for permission to approach your doctor and or medical records?

I have no idea and it doesn't matter because the licensing dept has explicitly refused to re-issue if you do not comply. They were one of the first to make this policy. They used to have the policy of assuming nothing is wrong if they hear nothing, like most other forces still do, but not any more. You don't comply then you will be off to court to set a precedence.

Which force are you with so I can try and find their policy?

Edited July 3, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,788]

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• Lincolnshire Police were the first to break ranks and demand a medical input. They’ve gone further than the April 2016 agreement authorised and won’t grant a certificate until the GP has responded to the police request. They’ve had the good sense to talk to their LMC, which encourages GPs to participate 
at reasonable cost.
• Thames Valley has a hybrid scheme 
by which some applicants are forced to pay a fee while others don’t. Thames Valley, like some of the other forces mentioned, is a historically poor licensing performer.
• In May 2018, Merseyside Police decided to disregard S26 and demand a letter from the GP. They do mention that the BMA agreed this should be done without charge and give the alternative of providing your medical records, which you should be able to download.
• Also in May 2018, Kent Police introduced a new licensing procedure, which requires medical information to be verified by a GP. Their press release openly said they were flouting the official guidance, which had been agreed by police representatives. They then claim their licensing procedures are in accordance with the guidance. How can you trust police who make such statements?
• One reader has been charged £140 by his GP — a far cry from the Lincolnshire figure but not the highest to have been reported.
• Nottinghamshire Police introduced a similar policy in September 2018. Like Kent they have produced a pro forma letter for you to send to your GP. Like Kent’s, it makes no mention of the agreement struck by the BMA, RCGP, police and Home Office, which said there is no expectation of a fee. It’s a force that fails to impress; it has factual and legal errors on its website.

Legal challenge from shooting organisations
With these flagrant breaches of the law why has there been no legal challenge from the shooting organisations? The answer is no certificate holder has been willing to put their head above the parapet. We need somebody to do so; even if the organisation you belong to has no insurance cover, 
it might well fund an appeal anyway.

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shot-gun-certificate/police-force-obstacles-to-getting-firearms-licence-104229

Dunno how many other forces, if any, have followed these since this was published.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Sausagedog 7,381]

The point is made in the last paragraph!

It is not law. It will become law because people don't resist.

The origins of all this is not public safety.

It's to limit claims against the police for giving a nutter a licence.

They would be especially liable if it was proved that said nutter gave the police access to his medical records but they didn't check.....and they don't.

They don't have the resources to check all medical records so by threatening us they can cover their arse...simples.

[Born Hunter 17,788]

18 minutes ago, Sausagedog said:

The point is made in the last paragraph!

It is not law. It will become law because people don't resist.

The origins of all this is not public safety.

It's to limit claims against the police for giving a nutter a licence.

They would be especially liable if it was proved that said nutter gave the police access to his medical records but they didn't check.....and they don't.

They don't have the resources to check all medical records so by threatening us they can cover their arse...simples.

Are YOU under a force that has these rules or not? If not then your anecdote, which was intended to counter what I said, was not relevant. That's the point.

It doesn't really matter if its law or not unless someone is willing to go to court. So again, are YOU under one of the forces that explicitly refuses to re-issue without doc report? Nott's won't and I ain't taking them to court for you lot.

Edited July 3, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Sausagedog 7,381]

19 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Are YOU under a force that has these rules or not? If not then your anecdote, which was intended to counter what I said, was not relevant. That's the point.

It doesn't really matter if its law or not unless someone is willing to go to court. So again, are YOU under one of the forces that explicitly refuses to re-issue without doc report? Nott's won't and I ain't taking them to court for you lot.

Your obviously taking this personal so I'm not going to participate any longer.

I'm not your enemy.

 

SD.

[BenBhoy 4,706]

My GP invoiced me £36 for FAC grant