Stud dog

[billhardy 2,342]

On 21 April 2019 at 11:04, two crows said:

not a peep from anywhere mate, little black and tan bitch looked like a pure, and it was on the fen behind my house so somebody had her away no doubt.

Even worse when they go out ya own yard from a locked kennel worse still when yas know a buddy had some part in the theft atb bill

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

On 18/04/2019 at 21:19, Westyorkshire_lad said:

Coursing bred out of Romeo x Pearl (buddy x roxy ) 23 to 24 tt 

That’s what I’m talking about 

[Blackmag 6,042]

I don't mean any disrespect but without seeing any prospective studs actually run a few times or vice or versa how do you know you will end up with what you want or need in a pup 

[two crows 3,342]

9 hours ago, Blackmag said:

I don't mean any disrespect but without seeing any prospective studs actually run a few times or vice or versa how do you know you will end up with what you want or need in a pup 

it don't matter about that sort of thing once minds are made up.

[bendrover 556]

17 hours ago, Blackmag said:

I don't mean any disrespect but without seeing any prospective studs actually run a few times or vice or versa how do you know you will end up with what you want or need in a pup 

In fairness.  The lines on both parents are so strong . It's a strong possibility they will throw the way they should . Don't believe any non ped whippet in there like was mentioned by the poster tho.its all a lottery . Seen some real good dogs run . But they never throw a pup . Best from tried and tested line Imho

[rabbit tourmentor 29]

19 hours ago, Blackmag said:

I don't mean any disrespect but without seeing any prospective studs actually run a few times or vice or versa how do you know you will end up with what you want or need in a pup 

I asked for a saluki whipgrey type of dog and there it is not saying it’s the one but it’s the first dog I’ve had offered of that type yet 

[Black neck 15,876]

1 hour ago, bendrover said:

In fairness.  The lines on both parents are so strong . It's a strong possibility they will throw the way they should . Don't believe any non ped whippet in there like was mentioned by the poster tho.its all a lottery . Seen some real good dogs run . But they never throw a pup . Best from tried and tested line Imho

Still not guaranteed to be woth a carrot tho 

[bendrover 556]

Show me a guarantee regarding breeding ????? All you can do is give yourself the best odds . Hence a proven stud . Go to a great runner that has poor lineage.  Most likely can't reproduce himself . It's hard enough breeding a litter , at least give yourself better bet .

[Black neck 15,876]

2 hours ago, bendrover said:

Show me a guarantee regarding breeding ????? All you can do is give yourself the best odds . Hence a proven stud . Go to a great runner that has poor lineage.  Most likely can't reproduce himself . It's hard enough breeding a litter , at least give yourself better bet .

Your right was just being devil's advocate 

[two crows 3,342]

2 hours ago, bendrover said:

Show me a guarantee regarding breeding ????? All you can do is give yourself the best odds . Hence a proven stud . Go to a great runner that has poor lineage.  Most likely can't reproduce himself . It's hard enough breeding a litter , at least give yourself better bet .

I wont name names, but your right benny I can think of one or two highly rated dogs that were well used studs, that produced nothing because the coursing blood was to thin,

[Blackmag 6,042]

I wasn't trying to bring the lad down or his thread but me personally if I had a dog at stud I would want to see the bitch run a few times likewise with a bitch a stud run  as you say Ben it's a lottery but even then a bit of research and accepting what you have or need as to be taken in to consideration no good having a decent prospects or blood line if you haven't got the graft for them or the know how with that blood how they run or work 

[bendrover 556]

It's everyone's right to use whatever stud they like mate . But what are they creating . Sometimes the bitches lineage is so strong she can be very dominant in the pups . Far more knowledgeable lads than me have made a pigs ear of it with both stud and dam looking great on paper . But if a stud dog is producing to a variety of bitches . Mg money is on him

[bendrover 556]

7 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

I wasn't trying to bring the lad down or his thread but me personally if I had a dog at stud I would want to see the bitch run a few times likewise with a bitch a stud run  as you say Ben it's a lottery but even then a bit of research and accepting what you have or need as to be taken in to consideration no good having a decent prospects or blood line if you haven't got the graft for them or the know how with that blood how they run or work 

Imo . Certain lines throw certain traits . Some drill the life out old puss . Some boxy . In today's environment,  a friend can arrange a day out , ask for permission to video the stud and relay it back . Then delete . You have an idea what your getting even before you see a few clips . Confirm it and get it done if your happy 

Edited April 25, 2019 by bendrover

[Blackmag 6,042]

On 25/04/2019 at 22:30, bendrover said:

Imo . Certain lines throw certain traits . Some drill the life out old puss . Some boxy . In today's environment,  a friend can arrange a day out , ask for permission to video the stud and relay it back . Then delete . You have an idea what your getting even before you see a few clips . Confirm it and get it done if your happy 

Ben I don't mean to sound pedantic but a dog could have a bad day or a very good day of ones days filming  that's not saying is the bitch worthy of such a stud as we know it's a lottery breeding and were the excess pups going but a lot of lining are done out of sentiment rather than thinking about the field 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Blackmag

[two crows 3,342]

8 hours ago, Blackmag said:

Ben I don't mean to sound pedantic but a dog could have a bad day or a very good day of ones days filming  that's not saying is the bitch worthy of such a stud as we know it's a lottery breeding and were the excess pups going but a lot of lining are done out of sentiment rather than thinking about the field 

i think I said something similar before, to many folk taking bitches  that are not good enough to top studs, just because they have it, and its a way of getting a few quid, I have a cocker bitch in pup now, and the dog I have used I have watched working from being a pup, same with the last one, you cant beat seeing them over a period of time, I would still use a good well bred coursing dog with a good depth of breading though, as apposed to say an f1 sal grey, irrespective of how good the f1 was.