trt treatment..

[gnasher16 30,063]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

Gnasher will know better but to my knowledge your bodies ability to metabolise protein is not limited. Arguably what is limited is your bodies ability to direct that protein into muscle building. The rest will be directed to energy production/storage. I believe for the average fella the limit I talk about is about 30-40gms in one sitting.

Thats pretty much it really....most people go on 30 grams per 3 hours

[tb25 4,627]

Cheers lads..

Its the hardest part for me getting the right amounts of calories and protein. 

Hard work the diet part is..

 

[gnasher16 30,063]

5 hours ago, jukel123 said:

What's it all about? I keep seeing young fellas looking like  Belgian blue bulls. I feel really puny beside them and think I'm glad I didn't run into these fellas when I was younger and thought I was Mohamad Ali. But then I think this obsession with body image is the male equivalent of skinny female models and anorexia. Is it some sort of rejection and dissatisfaction with the body you were born with? Genuinely don't understand it. Half of young people are far too fat and don't give a f**k that they look horrible and the other half are working out, popping pills/ protein shakes or starving themselves. Weird!!!!

I dont think theres anything wrong with obsessing over your health and fitness....to say its some sort of mental disorder is just being silly....however i have noticed over the generations massive changes in gym culture and todays is by far the worst,hence i got out of the game....training for a purpose i think is to be admired be it sport,health or just the feeling of being the best you can physically be,we dont say people have a mental disorder for developing their brain to its maximum so why their body ?....but there is definately a strange twist since all this social media came out,there are so many lads ( not all youngsters i might add ) trying to gain knowledge,improve routines etc for the mere purpose of putting themself out there on social media !...i dont understand that logic but again....im getting old 

Edited April 5, 2019 by gnasher16

[gnasher16 30,063]

6 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

By the sounds of it he believed all the alpha male, hard as f**k bullshit. I know Arnold is a god amongst men to many lifters but I think his line of "sleep less, you don't need more than 5 hours sleep" is f***ing reckless. But maybe elite bodybuilders are somehow unique in medical science? 

It's an unhealthy mentality from the last century that thankfully the modern idols of young aspiring athletes don't continue to push.

With all due respect squire i think its a little bit naive to believe every word the man said he was selling himself to the world one of his most famous quotes was " the worst thing i can be is the same as everybody else "....to say he put himself out there would be an understatement and yes compared to todays top nutritionists and conditioners he was clueless but sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time and the mark he made on the bodybuilding world doesnt make him a God to lifters but a lot more respected than a lot of these mincey little pretty boy aspiring athletes whos only aspirations are to pull a woman on tinder the man was one of the most genetically gifted,dedicated perfectionists the game has ever seen.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

1 hour ago, gnasher16 said:

With all due respect squire i think its a little bit naive to believe every word the man said he was selling himself to the world one of his most famous quotes was " the worst thing i can be is the same as everybody else "....to say he put himself out there would be an understatement and yes compared to todays top nutritionists and conditioners he was clueless but sometimes you have to be in the right place at the right time and the mark he made on the bodybuilding world doesnt make him a God to lifters but a lot more respected than a lot of these mincey little pretty boy aspiring athletes whos only aspirations are to pull a woman on tinder the man was one of the most genetically gifted,dedicated perfectionists the game has ever seen.

Okay, so maybe he didn't believe that 5 hours sleep was enough then? I was making a general statement that back in the 70s 80s 90s that sort of hard core attitude was much more predominant than it is today. No? His quote seemed an appropriate example. If we had been talking about politics I'd have used Thatcher.

'God amongst men' wasnt a dig, he is to many! And he deserves it.

Not sure the relevance of pretty boy athletes?

Maybe I worded it carelessly or probably take CJs wise attitude and sit these threads out.

Edited April 5, 2019 by Born Hunter

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3 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

Yip its the in thing up here aswell, I don’t mind em they do no harm but must admit I did feel intimidated a bit about going to gym, no scared of a slap intimidated jist didn’t wanna look like a stupid ole cnut that ain’t got a clue 

But fcuk it. If any them get lippy(am I doubt they would as they all seem decent lads) then I’ll jist start chucking dumbbells about ( wee ones obviously )

 

What has made em so popular? 

Most of them were good lads that i met but was just shocked at the amount of gear they were doing at their ages just to look big.Some of these young boys were doing 3times the amount of juice that fellas i know did to become british champion strength competitors and then going out and shoveling powder up their noses and pills down their necks on the weekend.Theyll be f****d by the time they're 25.

[tb25 4,627]

Well am at what weight am happy with now from building up over the last few months,12 a a half stone ish..am not looking to get big or owt just lookin to gain some strength and get a bit of shape to me.

 

Just looking to eat the rights amount of calories, proteins est to keep me at were I need to be.

Am not the biggest  eater and find hitting both my protein and calorie targets hard work..I have been taking protein shakes to help..

 I have been eating any old shite so I devently need to clean my diet up.

[tb25 4,627]

Probly just under a stone mate... yes my posture has really improved.. my back is were I have seen the most improvement, am sure I have grown 2 inch lol..my chest is startin taking shape also my arms are improving.. over all am happy with my progress so far..I wouldn't say am lifting very much more but am devently slowly  improving an increasing the weight...not that it's much as I started right at the bottom lol.

Just moved up a plate on the dead lifts.gone from 10 to 15  lol witch is note for most but feck it gives my body a good work out at the end of my work outs lol

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, tb25 said:

Cheers lads..

Its the hardest part for me getting the right amounts of calories and protein. 

Hard work the diet part is..

 

Stuff your face with shitloads mate

a pint or two of porridge with optional honey, jam fruits etc for breakfast

while your eating that have half a dozen eggs gently frying or boiling away with a pound of decent sausages and /or bacon etc 

Then the rest of your days meals can  descend in calories each being less than the last

Eat like a king for breakfast and a pauper for supper

 

 

[jiggy 3,209]

On a serious note I'd imagine rest and proper diet are a huge part of filling your potential. My cousin was working for me blocklaying and he went through the gym phase. 5 nights a week training for 18 months and apart from a couple of veins showing in his wrists he didn't gain any condition. He was eating well all week and training but partying at weekends. We were leaving for work at 5.30 am and lumping blocks all day and getting home at 7 pm. The chap was going into the gym fatigued and worn out after been slaughtered all day in a physical job and it was counter productive. He couldn't figure out why he wasn't improving after looking at the other lads in gym making progress. I told him that those lads are on social welfare and they laze around all day and then do 3 hour workouts every night. The rest time is when muscle is repairing so if your burnt out before your workout then straight back to work after and burn out again then it's hard get a gym body. That's why you see bricklayers with decent natural strength but very few with actual cut bodies and most have a beer belly. Bad diet, stress, poor sleep patterns and constant lifting wrongly in awkward situations takes a toll on your body. Your more likely to get injured lifting if you are using ego and you don't take it seriously. I see some people  with easy jobs jogging on their lunch breaks. FairPlay to them but after hard days I struggle to tie my boot laces the next day. My back is    reasonably ok after 20 years laying blocks but my joints would lock up after a hard day. I went to gym once with him and I did enjoy the workout but I wouldn't be able to do it consistanly. I pay the mortgage, feed the kids, go home sore to make my goals and there pretty much isn't any energy left to spare for a workout or else I'd think I didn't work hard enough that day. Not a recommended life but it pays well. I'd love to have time and energy to train but any spare time is hunting. If somebody asked me to dig a 3 foot hole in work I'd tell them to fcuk off but happy to dig 6 foot to a dog on Sunday, but that's my own time and I enjoy it. Happy pumping lads and I hope ye get your gains.

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2 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

I’m same pal, I can work all day on farm an hunt an do all I needed but felt a bit inadequate in gymstarting right at bottom aswell so it’s nice to hear I no only fcuker, but hopefully it means I do see/notice a diff onwards an upwards

If your not curling 25kgs dumbbells bench pressing 100kgs for reps and shoulder pressing 120kgs for reps in your first week give it up .......

[tb25 4,627]

we all gotta start somewere mate..am glad i took up the Personal trainer though as i Really had no clue at all.

I feel alot more comfortable now going it alone .

 

 

[tb25 4,627]

1 minute ago, socks said:

If your not curling 25kgs dumbbells bench pressing 100kgs for reps and shoulder pressing 120kgs for reps in your first week give it up .......

Feck me ken i can barly bench press the bar lol

[gnasher16 30,063]

3 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

Okay, so maybe he didn't believe that 5 hours sleep was enough then? I was making a general statement that back in the 70s 80s 90s that sort of hard core attitude was much more predominant than it is today. No? His quote seemed an appropriate example. If we had been talking about politics I'd have used Thatcher.

'God amongst men' wasnt a dig, he is to many! And he deserves it.

Not sure the relevance of pretty boy athletes?

Maybe I worded it carelessly or probably take CJs wise attitude and sit these threads out.

In the 70,s Brian Clough was telling footballers to eat red meat before a game that doesnt mean he didnt know football as he proved his understanding with results.....as Schwarzenegger did......the relevance to pretty boy athletes is that you said modern idols dont push the unhealthy thoughts of 7 x Mr Olympia/National Powerlifting champions onto them.....maybe if they did they might go further in bodybuilding than instagram......whoever Cj is i dont know but why would you need to sit out a discussion im not the first person who has ever disagreed with you surely.

[gnasher16 30,063]

2 hours ago, W. Katchum said:

What are you aiming for mate with your diet? It’s still all confusing me but I am trying to read s few bits an absorb some the info

 

so so far I think I may be getting head around bits but aint started any diet or plan as such an have just cleaned up me ole diet

 

I read somewhere tho that seems to have stuck in me mind that it should be around. 20% protein, 30/%fat an about 50%carbs to make up me days meals?? An about 20 calories per lb of me body weight??

 

that sound about right to anybody else, would rather understand it before I actually start jist like everything else

At the stage you are at just forget about numbers.....eat big/clean.....lift heavy.....rest often.......that will get you through your first 6 months......start getting hung up on numbers and you wont last 6 months.

Edited April 5, 2019 by gnasher16