trt treatment..

[king 11,972]

3 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said:

It's great listening to guys like Arnold etc but the stuff they do isn't going to work for most people as most people aren't on loads of steroids. Keep it simple. Compound lifts. Get stronger.  Watch your diet 

But surely some things the top people say no matter what the subject.

Can be of use to us mere mortals if you take bits from what they say etc.

I'm not saying copy exactly what they say.but a little bit here and there will add to your knowledge over time.

[TOMO 26,073]

1 minute ago, lurcherman 887 said:

Tell you what mate i cant squat for shit.. very weak when it comes to squats.. defo the noodle legs .. but getting there but f**k me my thighs kill after.. squatting is by far my biggest weakness. But i recognise that and am working on it .. 

lots of diferent ways to squat as well....it can get quite technical ....low bar ..high bar ...foot positions ...breathing right and bracing your abdomen ....getting the depth so its not just a parcial

[ChrisJones 7,975]

If you can only do one exercise. Squat.

[king 11,972]

Just now, baker boy said:

Them boys made some good money doing the Onllwyn washery

That's the 1 BB. 60/80 bags some nights.

3 or 4 ton.its surprising that a Honda c90 can carry 300 weight and the rider up hill lol.

[shaaark 10,721]

Especially for katchum and lurcherman. 

Progressive overload. Get good quality sleep. Keep it brief with basic/compound exercises, deadlifts, shoulder presses, bench, dips, leg press, not all in the same workout. Squat if you can, it just does NOT suit alot of people.

 

As things get a little harder, still not quite recovered from last workout, tired or whatever, add an extra day of rest between workouts.

Don't be a slave to your routine, if you're still tired, take an extra day off.

Don't train for more than an hour.

Keep cardio to a minimum. Just do enough to warm yourself up before you start your workout.

Don't train more than 3 times a week.

Books for reference/information,  anything by Stuart Mcrobert. 

I've trained all my life, and pretty much wasted about 5 years of it before I'd read any of his work. His writings enabled me to progress safely and fairly rapidly, compared to the usual shite information I'd read and was told. Definitely works

Edited to add, should've said wasted 5 years of just proper weight training, which I started in 1988. Trained for years before that, boxing, athletics in scool etc

Edited April 4, 2019 by shaaark

[shaaark 10,721]

14 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

If you can only do one exercise. Squat.

I'd disagree with that. I'd say deadlift

[socks 32,253]

makes no difference for what your doing mate. If you were going into strongman comps then yes legs would be essential but if your training for some bulk and strength then it makes no difference just incorporate them into your weekly routine. 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

3 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

One last daft question

 

if i was building a house it summat I’d obviously sort foundations out first. so should legs be concentrated on more than anything else? For a good strong base 

 

 

its actually summat me brother I’m law( who spent a month or 2 trying to put weight on a few years ago) told me he had been told by a guy in a gym when he was going ? sorta makes sense but there again my legs are ok tbf

The roof isn't dependant on the base in this case mate. Work everything and then after a while you can focus on areas that you feel are weaknesses. Arguably your core is a foundation necessary to develop the rest. Which a well designed weekly regime will naturally develop through big lifts.

Edited April 4, 2019 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,763]

3 minutes ago, Balaur said:

I've always hated legs due to squat  but deadlifts are much more bearable for me. Also as important and painful it is to train legs I'd say the foundation is your core ie torso.

Id add imo the most functional development of core will come from shifting big weights about, through squats, dead, snatch etc. Two birds...

[ChrisJones 7,975]

27 minutes ago, shaaark said:

I'd disagree with that. I'd say deadlift

Fair enough.

[shaaark 10,721]

38 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Fair enough.

Not being flippant mate . But the deadlift is a far safer exercise for most people,  especially with a parallel-grip trap bar, and works more of the body,  about two thirds of your whole musculature, and will be just as, or even more effective at metabolizing your body than squatting. Squatting, if you can do it, is still a great ecercise

 

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

23 minutes ago, shaaark said:

Not being flippant mate . But the deadlift is a far safer exercise for most people,  especially with a parallel-grip trap bar, and works more of the body,  about two thirds of your whole musculature, and will be just as, or even more effective at metabolizing your body than squatting. Squatting, if you can do it, is still a great ecercise

 

No worries, mate. The response certainly wasn't taken that taken that way, from this end.

This is one of those THL thread that is a genuine pleasure to read and long may it continue. Training is one of those subjects that seems to have common ground amongst the membership and it's refreshing to see knowledgeable posts that are positive and posted with the sole intention of helping everyone. It's transcended political and religious divides and shows that we're all decent blokes despite being hidden behind the keyboard.

In defense of the squat as an all round conditioning exercise it cannot be beaten, IMHO. Even as a CV exercise when done right. I fully agree that it's a far more dangerous exercise in the sense that the weight is above the torso as opposed to below it in it's traditional form with an Olympic bar. The deadlift, however, will remain the unbeaten measure of pure strength. My statement isn't posted in order stir up the content, or promote an argument, and remains purely my opinion so I respectfully disagree with you. Hounds for grounds and all that, however anything that makes you better than you were yesterday simply has to be explored.

"There's No Point To Be Alive If You Can't Do Deadlift" ~ Jón Páll Sigmarsson who, ironically, died mid-deadlift in his gym.

[shaaark 10,721]

28 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

No worries, mate. The response certainly wasn't taken that taken that way, from this end.

This is one of those THL thread that is a genuine pleasure to read and long may it continue. Training is one of those subjects that seems to have common ground amongst the membership and it's refreshing to see knowledgeable posts that are positive and posted with the sole intention of helping everyone. It's transcended political and religious divides and shows that we're all decent blokes despite being hidden behind the keyboard.

In defense of the squat as an all round conditioning exercise it cannot be beaten, IMHO. Even as a CV exercise when done right. I fully agree that it's a far more dangerous exercise in the sense that the weight is above the torso as opposed to below it in it's traditional form with an Olympic bar. The deadlift, however, will remain the unbeaten measure of pure strength. My statement isn't posted in order stir up the content, or promote an argument, and remains purely my opinion so I respectfully disagree with you. Hounds for grounds and all that, however anything that makes you better than you were yesterday simply has to be explored.

"There's No Point To Be Alive If You Can't Do Deadlift" ~ Jón Páll Sigmarsson who, ironically, died mid-deadlift in his gym.

Well put mate

[gnasher16 30,063]

3 hours ago, lurcherman 887 said:

When the aches dont ache no more is it time for a weight increase would you say ? Seem to have hit a brick wall.. never ache no more to be fair and just feels like i havent done enough even when ive had a good pump on and sufficent workout.... as before id feel very sore when waking up. 

 

I train alone so havent got a spotter or someone the push me that little bit further maybe.. 

Im a big believer in listening to your body but its something you only master over time....most people hit a brick wall after their first 3 - 4 months of training as you see fast growth but then your body says " f**k you i can take that now ".....so you have to keep shocking your body into growing....bodybuilding is simply an adaptation to stress if you dont stress your muscles you wont grow,but the lifting is only part of the growing process its all has to be done in order.....1,Train ( stress).....2,Rest ( repair )......3,Grow ( adapt ).....do it in a different order and you wont grow you have to give your body time to rest and grow before it can be broken down again.

The beginning stage is a time when less is more,overtrain and you wont grow.....theres nothing wrong with training alone but it does sometimes take a strong mind to get the best out of yourself.

[gnasher16 30,063]

1 hour ago, shaaark said:

Not being flippant mate . But the deadlift is a far safer exercise for most people,  especially with a parallel-grip trap bar, and works more of the body,  about two thirds of your whole musculature, and will be just as, or even more effective at metabolizing your body than squatting. Squatting, if you can do it, is still a great ecercise

 

 

Ive been a big advocate of the trap bar over the years ive used it for deadlifting,overhead pressing,shrugs,even bench pressing....sometimes you just find apparatus that fits you and you connect with it some of the heaviest lifts ive done have been with a trap bar i even had a mate weld it up to get more plates on.....feeling the bend of a 7 foot olympic bar is great for the ego but the same weight on a trap bar is a far safer lift.

You are giving out some nice advice Shaark fair do's