trt treatment..

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A few lads in the village years ago used to get steroids off the local farmer and jab them.

The bottle said.

15 bull

10 stallion

7 ram

I'm not sure what the volume of dosage was though.

Then they would pinch coal 5 nights a week from the coal washery as training 

[WILF 46,712]

For those who are interested, there’s a good documentary called “Forks over knives”........nutrition wise (especially for a big meat eater like me) it was a real eye opener.

I think you have to take these things as a “whole” thing......so what you put in your gob is as important as what you do at the Gym.

Sounds obvious, but I think its more than just “I’ll eat more chicken”......like most things, research and learning is king.

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57 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

That looks fine....your best steering clear of the big chain gyms a quiet little place where you can concentrate and learn like that is perfect.

And the aches you should be experiencing are perfectly normal....pain no....aches yes.

Remember...." If you want things you have never had,you must be willing to do things you have never done " 

Just see how it go,s.

When the aches dont ache no more is it time for a weight increase would you say ? Seem to have hit a brick wall.. never ache no more to be fair and just feels like i havent done enough even when ive had a good pump on and sufficent workout.... as before id feel very sore when waking up. 

 

I train alone so havent got a spotter or someone the push me that little bit further maybe.. 

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7 minutes ago, WILF said:

For those who are interested, there’s a good documentary called “Forks over knives”........nutrition wise (especially for a big meat eater like me) it was a real eye opener.

I think you have to take these things as a “whole” thing......so what you put in your gob is as important as what you do at the Gym.

Sounds obvious, but I think its more than just “I’ll eat more chicken”......like most things, research and learning is king.

 

I'd go as far as saying more so. Calories are far more abundant in the 21st century than at any time in human development. Combine that with the fact we're all running on stone age hardware and you start to understand why many of the biggest killers are directly down to what goes in the hole under the nose.

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7 minutes ago, WILF said:

For those who are interested, there’s a good documentary called “Forks over knives”........nutrition wise (especially for a big meat eater like me) it was a real eye opener.

I think you have to take these things as a “whole” thing......so what you put in your gob is as important as what you do at the Gym.

Sounds obvious, but I think its more than just “I’ll eat more chicken”......like most things, research and learning is king.

I think that what 'we' think we know about nutrition is being challenged more now. Over simplification of nutritional science like "too much sugar is bad for you....... fruit has sugar........ careful how much fruit you eat!" is being found out. Same imo with meat, saturated fats and to a lesser extent fat in general.

Can't argue though that unprocessed food and majority plant based is almost certainly the way forward.

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8 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said:

When the aches dont ache no more is it time for a weight increase would you say ?

I would. Steady away though especially if you're training alone.

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Cheers chris im ovbiously recovering alot quicker as when first started i would ache for days.. im going 4 times a week and a day swimming.. eating clean ect im not a big man by any means but im defo gaining and at a good rate ..

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There’s no gain without pain ........

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6 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

I'd go as far as saying more so. Calories are far more abundant in the 21st century than at any time in human development. Combine that with the fact we're all running on stone age hardware and you start to understand why many of the biggest killers are directly down to what goes in the hole under the nose.

I was agreeing with all that whilst troffing a chocolate bar.....

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1 minute ago, lurcherman 887 said:

Cheers chris im ovbiously recovering alot quicker as when first started i would ache for days.. im going 4 times a week and a day swimming.. eating clean ect im not a big man by any means but im defo gaining and at a good rate ..

That's key and to echo what Gnash said earlier in the thread aches are good and pains are not. Stick with it if it's working! Good on ya, mate!

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1 minute ago, TOMO said:

I was agreeing with all that whilst troffing a chocolate bar.....

That's why I was talking about being a hypocrite earlier in the thread. I'm washing down my cheese on toast with a bucket of coffee. I understand what the problem is I'm just not willing to act on it 100%

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4 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said:

Cheers chris im ovbiously recovering alot quicker as when first started i would ache for days.. im going 4 times a week and a day swimming.. eating clean ect im not a big man by any means but im defo gaining and at a good rate ..

if things are progressing well ...then I wouldn't change much....what about mixing up the exercizes......lets say for example you go to the gym on Monday....which of course is international chest day....lets say you have been doing ..flat bench..followed by incline bench followed by flys.....4 sets of each.....then theres loads you could change....

do it the other way round...change the incline press to dumbells ...change the rep range......there are litraly thousands of ways to change things round

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Just now, TOMO said:

if things are progressing well ...then I wouldn't change much....what about mixing up the exercizes......lets say for example you go to the gym on Monday....which of course is international chest day....lets say you have been doing ..flat bench..followed by incline bench followed by flys.....4 sets of each.....then theres loads you could change....

do it the other way round...change the incline press to dumbells ...change the rep range......there are litraly thousands of ways to change things round

I'm sure it was an Arnold video I watched where he said allways change things around routine wise as it shocks the body.

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Cheers lads ! 

[lurcherman 887 13,095]

Just now, Rusty_terrier said:

It's great listening to guys like Arnold etc but the stuff they do isn't going to work for most people as most people aren't on loads of steroids. Keep it simple. Compound lifts. Get stronger.  Watch your diet 

Tell you what mate i cant squat for shit.. very weak when it comes to squats.. defo the noodle legs .. but getting there but f**k me my thighs kill after.. squatting is by far my biggest weakness. But i recognise that and am working on it ..