markbivvy 6 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 (edited) they cant do that, yes they can, if your brand of pellet your using doesnt exceed the power then your ok, no your not, they can and do test them with all and any pellets they like. its your responsibility to make sure you are under the limit. some useful info here. http://www.airgunbbs.com/forums/showthread...l+limit+pellets Edited January 3, 2008 by markbivvy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davyt63 1,845 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 i need a bit of help and advice i bought a bsa (airrifle) from a shop in hull(duncans gunshop) anyway i went hunting with it,on way home i got pulled by police for a routine check anyway they took rifle off me,and when they tested it ,when checks came back it was over 12 pounds,so now i getting charged with class 1 firarms what can i do. i have reciets that i bought rifle 2 weeks eaylier was the gun in a case & unloaded? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest baldie Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Basically mate, you are in the shit. The police can test a weapon with ANY pellet they wish, and if its over the limit with ANY weight, its illegal.The shop,s responsibility finished when you walked through the door, they will say it was legal when it left, and they are covered.Get a solicitor and work on the fact you did,nt know, although ignorance is no excuse these days. Luckily for you, this offence is "usually" treated with a fine, but the maximum punishment for an unlicensed firearm is 10 years, however this isn,t given out to drug dealers with pistols,so you wont get it for an airgun offence. All offences with airguns, are automatically classed as a firearms crime. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
J Darcy 5,871 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Basically mate, you are in the shit. The police can test a weapon with ANY pellet they wish, and if its over the limit with ANY weight, its illegal.The shop,s responsibility finished when you walked through the door, they will say it was legal when it left, and they are covered.Get a solicitor and work on the fact you did,nt know, although ignorance is no excuse these days. Luckily for you, this offence is "usually" treated with a fine, but the maximum punishment for an unlicensed firearm is 10 years, however this isn,t given out to drug dealers with pistols,so you wont get it for an airgun offence. All offences with airguns, are automatically classed as a firearms crime. Exactly what i was saying in an earlier post Baldie.............the best the the lad can go for is mitigating circumstances. OK....so why don't the police charge the gun shop for selling a airgun capable for going over the limit. Surely the root of the problem lies in the gun shop, i.e selling to unsuspecting people what is effectively a firearm. Makes me sick....have the police got nothing better to do that persecute someone for having a gun .2 over the limit with pellets that were not even using....its sad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest baldie Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 If the gunshop in question is selling fac rated weapons off ticket, then they deserve to be raided. A phone call to trading standards will accomplish this. I dont believe anyone going into a gunshop that doesn,t know the law, or the legal limit, should be buying a gun JD.Its no defence these days to not know the limit, bloody hell, i knew it at 8 years old.Its a well known fact, that virtually every airgun made these days can be made illegal, very easily indeed, and to be honest, the industry is its own worst enemy, ox springs, titan black springs, napier power lube etc, all designed to take a gun over the limit, with a disclaimer on the box. Airgun power is down to the owner, no one else.When you buy a gun, have it chronoed before it leaves the shop, and get the power levels printed out in black and white. The law is itching to put tighter controls on airguns, every accident with one is a further nail in the coffin. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jasper65 6 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 Basically mate, you are in the shit. The police can test a weapon with ANY pellet they wish, and if its over the limit with ANY weight, its illegal.The shop,s responsibility finished when you walked through the door, they will say it was legal when it left, and they are covered.Get a solicitor and work on the fact you did,nt know, although ignorance is no excuse these days. Luckily for you, this offence is "usually" treated with a fine, but the maximum punishment for an unlicensed firearm is 10 years, however this isn,t given out to drug dealers with pistols,so you wont get it for an airgun offence. All offences with airguns, are automatically classed as a firearms crime. Amen! its not good mate as in the eyes of the law it has exceeded all legal requiements. The shop will want to retain their licence to sell firearms and will deny the gun left the shop rated as FAC. The police will take a look into the whole case incudeing any previouse you might have if any! they don't like waisting time without a result and will feel this one is in the bag, you've got to fight your corner though mate with a legal representive! The best of luck with it and I hope the outcome is in your favour but its a hard one to call.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest craftycarper Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 The answer here is as stated "capable". We all know that more or less any air rifle is capable of shooting over 12lb, be it by either pellet weight, or if the gun has been moded at all. It is the shops responsibilty to check the gun but as also stated earlier, once your out that door your fate is in your own hands i'm affraid. Look at it this way if you buy an item in a high street shop that cost a tenner and you gave them a fifty pound note, are you telling me that you would walk out without checking the change. Best report the shop and get them checked out, i myself have three rifles here that were bought secondhand and i haven't checked one, but i may do now. One was purchased from a shop that told me they never chrono any s/h gun that comes in, another was from a shop that would tell me yeah mate that was knocking out bla bla bla when we put it through a chrono, similar to driving a car with a bald tyre, copper ain't gonna take the old it was only fitted last week, basically you commited the offence and in their eyes we should be checking our guns regularly, even if i admit i don't do it myself. I even know of guys that have tweeked there pcp's over 30lb, they carry an allan key to turn it right up in the field and back down on leaving and some of these are genuine cert holders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T78 4 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 the best one was when a police officer took my pcp to be chrono'd(long story!)and when i called to get it back he replied"oh no,no need to test it, I CAN TELL BY LOOKING AT IT that its not been modified"!!!!!! better man than me you fecking idiot!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratman2 2 Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 I'm at a bit of a loss here, how come your gun was spotted during a routine check by the Police. No matter what gun I'm out with it's always locked away in the boot, in a case and a trigger lock fitted. I've only been stopped by the Police two or three times in my driving life and I've not once been asked to open the boot. Bad luck mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest craftycarper Posted January 3, 2008 Report Share Posted January 3, 2008 When you say you went hunting with it on the way home, exactly where did you go with it, i take it you have written permission from a landowner, and it was on that land that you was shooting with it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dohnut 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 When they tested my gun they used 3 different weights of pellets of different makes. It was also worth noting that the pellets they took from me 'accupel'....never went over 12lb but the heavy pellets they used did (barracuda's i think) they cant do that, if your brand of pellet your using doesnt exceed the power then your ok, get that off the police what pellet they use and tell them what you use, get a good solictitor on the case it states here make sure you know your gun's power with your pellets http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/law.html as long as you took the nesserary percautions to know and are with in power with your pellets then they havent got a case tonight at 9pm 4th jan i will be asking police to retest my rifle with my own pellets(powerpell) date check on police crono take my own pellets in see what they say tonight with i go to police station for interview they told me im getting a caution for it but cant see why i should when i bought rifle brand new in good faith i will add more info tonight what happens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ratman2 2 Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 When they tested my gun they used 3 different weights of pellets of different makes. It was also worth noting that the pellets they took from me 'accupel'....never went over 12lb but the heavy pellets they used did (barracuda's i think) they cant do that, if your brand of pellet your using doesnt exceed the power then your ok, get that off the police what pellet they use and tell them what you use, get a good solictitor on the case it states here make sure you know your gun's power with your pellets http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/law.html as long as you took the nesserary percautions to know and are with in power with your pellets then they havent got a case tonight at 9pm 4th jan i will be asking police to retest my rifle with my own pellets(powerpell) date check on police crono take my own pellets in see what they say tonight with i go to police station for interview they told me im getting a caution for it but cant see why i should when i bought rifle brand new in good faith i will add more info tonight what happens Good luck mate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dohnut 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 When you say you went hunting with it on the way home, exactly where did you go with it, i take it you have written permission from a landowner, and it was on that land that you was shooting with it? i had permission with me from landowner i had finished shooting on was on way home i was about 2 miles away from home about 5am i got pulled over by police they said to me they was a few burglaries in the area so they checked my car over, in boot was my rifle in case in boot unloaded pellets was even in glove box they missed,so they said to me we are taking rifle for testing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dohnut 0 Posted January 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 When they tested my gun they used 3 different weights of pellets of different makes. It was also worth noting that the pellets they took from me 'accupel'....never went over 12lb but the heavy pellets they used did (barracuda's i think) they cant do that, if your brand of pellet your using doesnt exceed the power then your ok, get that off the police what pellet they use and tell them what you use, get a good solictitor on the case it states here make sure you know your gun's power with your pellets http://www.youngmans.com/acatalog/law.html as long as you took the nesserary percautions to know and are with in power with your pellets then they havent got a case tonight at 9pm 4th jan i will be asking police to retest my rifle with my own pellets(powerpell) date check on police crono take my own pellets in see what they say tonight with i go to police station for interview they told me im getting a caution for it but cant see why i should when i bought rifle brand new in good faith i will add more info tonight what happens Good luck mate. thanks hope i dont lose my job over this im a bouncer SIA licence might go out of window cant see me getting another rifle either too much hassle plus dont think shotgun licence will go though now Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest craftycarper Posted January 4, 2008 Report Share Posted January 4, 2008 If you get a caution then you may get away with it. How long you had your license, they are renewed every three years so they may not pick up on it until renewal, on the other hand if convicted of a firearm offence then i wouldn't like to say. Silly thing is the license ain't worth a poke seeing as they gave about 10,000 of them to bloody immigrants without running the checks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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