Michael Jackson

[mackem 26,899]

[Blackbriar 8,569]

1 hour ago, Lenmcharristar said:

As he’s not alive to defend himself in a court of law, all I’m saying is money brings out the worst in people. Is this trial by social media again?

You could equally apply that logical to Savile, then !

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Just now, Blackbriar said:

You could equally apply that logical to Savile, then !

Beat me to it BB.

[jukel123 8,314]

If Jackson's music continues to be aired, it somehow normalises child abuse. Or worse, gives celebrities a free pass to abuse. 

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1 hour ago, mackem said:

beastyality.. bad boy  

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10 hours ago, DIDO.1 said:

Something just doesn't ring true to me. Would you drop charges against a bloke who bummed your kid because he offered you money? 

I'm definitely not defending Jackson, he was a freak, and was definitely a nonce of one type or another....but surely the parents are as much to blame. As though you would allow your child to share a bed with a man you have just met. I would be consumed with grief and guilt that I'd put my child in that position. I just can't get my head around it. 

That's the thing that worries me most is that most of the people settled for money. What kind of father would whore out their child then cause a stir and get a million and forget about. How can they justify that and say Michael was ok he showed my son how to milk a cow blindfolded. Bells, alarms and all the security in the world that protected him but I was happy to let my son have a sleepover with a 40 year old man and then complain after. Doesn't matter if he was a peadophile or not you don't let your kids be put in that situation. I've some real good friends that I would trust my life with if they brought my child to a party with their kids but an 8 year old having a sleepover with someone that hasn't kids the same age

[ChrisJones 7,975]

29 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

You could equally apply that logical to Savile, then !

 

27 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

Beat me to it BB.

I agree with both of you, gents, but he's still entitled to due process. He hasn't been convicted and while the suspicion remains until someone can nail him for it posthumously it will remain hearsay and conjecture. One thing that still bothers me with these scandals, Saville, Smith, Spacey, Weinstein and now Jackson is the amount of people who chose to look the other way.

Look how long some of these historical offenses go back. Saville and Smith were many decades. Yet people chose to look away. How do you fix that?

 

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19 minutes ago, jiggy said:

That's the thing that worries me most is that most of the people settled for money. What kind of father would whore out their child then cause a stir and get a million and forget about. How can they justify that and say Michael was ok he showed my son how to milk a cow blindfolded. Bells, alarms and all the security in the world that protected him but I was happy to let my son have a sleepover with a 40 year old man and then complain after. Doesn't matter if he was a peadophile or not you don't let your kids be put in that situation. I've some real good friends that I would trust my life with if they brought my child to a party with their kids but an 8 year old having a sleepover with someone that hasn't kids the same age

That was my point above. I haven't got a shread of evidence to even hint at it but I reckon the payday was worth it to some of these families. It's a horrible thing to say but if you want to go down that rabbit hole just look how frequently it happens. This of course doesn't even scratch the surface of what people do to their own families as they make up the vast majority of abuse cases and family members look the other way all the time. Again... how do you fix that?

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3 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

 

I agree with both of you, gents, but he's still entitled to due process. He hasn't been convicted and while the suspicion remains until someone can nail him for it posthumously it will remain hearsay and conjecture. One thing that still bothers me with these scandals, Saville, Smith, Spacey, Weinstein and now Jackson is the amount of people who chose to look the other way.

Look how long some of these historical offenses go back. Saville and Smith were many decades. Yet people chose to look away. How do you fix that?

 

Unfortunately we won’t have “definitive “ proof of him molesting anyone . Because of the way paedophiles operate , abuse will have been carried out , out of sight from any witnesses. You will now only have their word for what they have experienced. I would suggest that anyone who hasn’t seen this documentary, should watch it , it is uncomfortable viewing . I’m convinced that they are telling the truth . 

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2 minutes ago, shovel leaner said:

Unfortunately we won’t have “definitive “ proof of him molesting anyone . Because of the way paedophiles operate , abuse will have been carried out , out of sight from any witnesses. You will now only have their word for what they have experienced. I would suggest that anyone who hasn’t seen this documentary, should watch it , it is uncomfortable viewing . I’m convinced that they are telling the truth . 

I don't doubt that at all, mate, but everyone has the right to due process. I'm not saying he didn't do it infact I'm convinced he did. I'm saying he hasn't been convicted of doing it and nor is he likely to be.

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12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

 

I agree with both of you, gents, but he's still entitled to due process. He hasn't been convicted and while the suspicion remains until someone can nail him for it posthumously it will remain hearsay and conjecture. One thing that still bothers me with these scandals, Saville, Smith, Spacey, Weinstein and now Jackson is the amount of people who chose to look the other way.

Look how long some of these historical offenses go back. Saville and Smith were many decades. Yet people chose to look away. How do you fix that?

 

It's the same with the churches. Every denomination has been mired over the last few years. Those cesspits of abuse go back centuries but people felt unable  to report the abuse even though it was hiding in full sight. Just recently the Australian, Cardinal Pell has been found guilty of abuse but many, including the Aussie prime minister are refusing to believe the verdict. Prince Charles has written to one of his favourite bishops sympathising with him for being found guilty of horrendous child  abuse. I don't know how you fix that.

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12 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

That was my point above. I haven't got a shread of evidence to even hint at it but I reckon the payday was worth it to some of these families. It's a horrible thing to say but if you want to go down that rabbit hole just look how frequently it happens. This of course doesn't even scratch the surface of what people do to their own families as they make up the vast majority of abuse cases and family members look the other way all the time. Again... how do you fix that?

I like a good argument Chris but on this one I totally agree with you. Doesn't matter if guilty or not. To me that's irrelevant. If you leave your child in that position then money won't fix it. I also agree that 80% of child abuse happens from a close family relative in the family home and people turn a blind eye because of the shame that would bring on your family to keep it quiet or maybe to protect the victim that didn't want it known out of embarrassment and that's fair enough but to take a settlement says all you need to know about the fact your child has a price that when it's paid its sorted. I can't even comprehend if somebody said to me how much will it cost for my son or daughters innocence if you forget about it. What father accepts that money? We all aren't perfect parents and make mistakes and slip up at times but to put a price tag on my child, well then

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10 minutes ago, jukel123 said:

It's the same with the churches. Every denomination has been mired over the last few years. Those cesspits of abuse go back centuries but people felt unable  to report the abuse even though it was hiding in full sight. Just recently the Australian, Cardinal Pell has been found guilty of abuse but many, including the Aussie prime minister are refusing to believe the verdict. Prince Charles has written to one of his favourite bishops sympathising with him for being found guilty of horrendous child  abuse. I don't know how you fix that.

It truly is a puzzler but even now when you look at the #MeToo movement how many people turned around and said they were gold digging? THL goes around the houses with this a few times a year but are the crimes increasing in frequency or are we just getting better at reporting and convicting? It's a huge double standard which is why due process is so important.

Certain people seek these positions of power to prey on vulnerable people. That is a common denominator in all of the people mentioned so far. These organisations actively turn a blind eye and these scandals are literally everywhere and transcend all socioeconomic backgrounds. What can we do as parents to minimize the risk of stranger danger whilst simultaneously stressing that the vast majority of abuse victims are abused by a relative or close family friend?

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30 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

It truly is a puzzler but even now when you look at the #MeToo movement how many people turned around and said they were gold digging? THL goes around the houses with this a few times a year but are the crimes increasing in frequency or are we just getting better at reporting and convicting? It's a huge double standard which is why due process is so important.

Certain people seek these positions of power to prey on vulnerable people. That is a common denominator in all of the people mentioned so far. These organisations actively turn a blind eye and these scandals are literally everywhere and transcend all socioeconomic backgrounds. What can we do as parents to minimize the risk of stranger danger whilst simultaneously stressing that the vast majority of abuse victims are abused by a relative or close family friend?

i think modern kids are much more aware of what constitutes abuse. Also they are not as trusting or blindly obedient to those in power. My grandkids are pretty wordily wise about the the whole subject of abuse. That can only be a good thing.

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Watching it now,shocking,total sex-case,and whats that with elvis presleys daughter?Didnt she realise he was captain nonce before she married him?What an horrible story,the guys are describing it in such matter of fact terms,it beggars belief.