Can’t do right for doing wrong

[Francie 6,368]

Most of the charitys are corrupt anyway, by the time the big fatcats at the top get there cut i think its only 2% gets to the people, absolute scam it is.

[Lenmcharristar 9,733]

Leave them be, let them go extinct

[shovel leaner 7,650]

I am 53 and I can remember collecting milk bottle tops and stamps at school at School . It was for some “Blue Peter “ save the Africans . We’ve been sending cash out , building schools and wells and giving Ploughs , for as long as I can remember. Nothing ever changes, I’ve not donated to anything to do with Africa for years , total waste of time .

[bird 9,872]

13 minutes ago, Lenmcharristar said:

Leave them be, let them go extinct

it come to that in the end, most are full of  AIDS , drought, they kill each other with tribal  wars,  i wouldnt send any money, or aid out there , sort out  our own country England  1st, if any left then only maybe send few quid over .

[dogmandont 9,802]

Stacey should have blacked up. 

[Bearfoot 1,477]

[lurcherman 887 13,094]

f**k me there must be more wells and schools there than in england.. greedy c**ts 

[Blackbriar 8,569]

14 minutes ago, lurcherman 887 said:

f**k me there must be more wells and schools there than in england.. greedy c**ts 

£2 a month for clean water ? I'm moving over there........mines 20 odd quid !

[Blackbriar 8,569]

From a recent Guardian article...........

 

"French President Emmanuel Macron should have known his comments about Africa at the G-20 summit this month would spark an angry backlash. Responding to a reporter’s question as to why there is no Marshall Plan for the continent, he cited “civilizational” problems that are different from those faced by Europe after World War II: “Failing states, complex democratic transitions, the demographic transition.” Later, he added that “in some [African] countries today seven or eight children [are] born to each woman.”

Accusations of racism and ahistoricism piled on quick, flooding social media and prompting some commentators to declare Macron’s honeymoon as a liberal icon over. This was entirely predictable. In part because of the historical trauma of slavery, colonialism, and the racist discourse they fostered, when white people use terms like “civilizational” in reference to problems in Africa, what many black Africans hear is: “Your civilization is inherently inferior to ours; it is backward and primitive.”

Such reactions are understandable and even important in checking harmful narratives about the continent. But by assuming the worst of Macron — and refusing to engage with his broader analysis of Africa’s foibles — his critics are guilty of the same intellectual laziness they often ascribe to those parroting easy stereotypes about Africa. Macron pointed to three major challenges facing the continent today: demography, democracy, and failing states. He was right on all counts.

Macron pointed to three major challenges facing the continent today: demography, democracy, and failing states. He was right on all counts.

On the demographic point, some critics zeroed in on Macron’s erroneous claim that the average African woman has “seven or eight” children; in fact, the only African country with such a high fertility rate is Niger, with 7.6 children per woman. But if the French president exaggerated slightly, his underlying point about dangerous demographic trends was sound. In 19 of Africa’s 54 countries, the average woman has five or more children, while in 36 of them the fertility rate is 4.0 or higher. These are worrying numbers on a continent where there are already 233 million hungry or undernourished people in the sub-Saharan region alone. Add in the fact that the number of Africans living in extreme poverty rose from 280 million in 1990 to 330 million in 2012 “because of population growth,” according to a 2016 World Bank study, and it becomes even clearer that the continent’s generally high fertility rates need to be addressed frankly and urgently.

Strong population growth could have been an engine for development if the creativity of Africans were being adequately harnessed. But poor governance and inadequate infrastructure — itself a product of poor governance — have turned it into a disaster waiting to happen. The rosy economic future projected during the heyday of the “Africa rising” buzz in the early 2000s now looks far too optimistic: Recent World Bank projections have sub-Saharan Africa’s economies growing “only slightly” above population growth, “a pace that hampers efforts to boost employment and reduce poverty.” That’s not racism; that’s reality.

Macron’s point about “failing states” is also borne out by the facts. According to the 2017 Fragile States Index, 14 of the 20 most fragile countries in the world are in Africa: Burundi, Central African Republic, Chad, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Niger, Nigeria, Somalia, South Sudan, Sudan, and Zimbabwe. These countries have a combined population of roughly 530 million people, which means that about half of all Africans live in a fragile state. And insecurity is on the rise. A 2016 report from the Mo Ibrahim Foundation, which surveys African perceptions of governance, reveals a “pronounced and concerning” drop in “safety and rule of law” in 33 countries, home to almost two-thirds of the continent’s population. These problems cannot be downplayed as isolated cases. They form a pattern — and a particularly worrying one for the millions of Africans forced to live in a state of constant insecurity.

Finally, Macron’s comment about “complex democratic transitions” was also a pretty obvious truth. The journey toward democracy in Africa has not been smooth. Near the end of the Cold War, in 1989, there were only two “electoral democracies” — countries that held regular elections — on the continent, according to the U.S.-based nonprofit Freedom House. By 2007, that number had risen to 24. But over the last decade it has fallen to 20 as countries like Mali, Niger, and Mozambique slid back toward authoritarianism. Others, like Sudan, Eritrea, and Angola, have remained steadfastly authoritarian. Zambia has also been in the news recently as its government has grown increasingly repressive.

Even among those nations that are classified as electoral democracies, few enjoy the kind of good governance that popular sovereignty is supposed to produce: rule of law, respect for human rights, and balanced economic development. In my country, Nigeria — Africa’s most populous nation and democracy — hundreds of unarmed civilians have been killed by state security forces in the past two years, including members of a Shiite religious group and pro-Biafra agitators advocating for the secession of southeastern Nigeria. The country’s corruption and inequality are legendary.

So who or what is to blame for all this? Whenever a white politician or other high-profile figure portrays Africa in an unflattering manner, a common reaction among African intellectuals is to emphasize colonialism and slavery as the “root cause” of whatever problem is being highlighted. Disagreement with this viewpoint is typically attributed to racism or a desire to ignore the crimes of Europe’s imperial past.

There is no doubt that post-colonial economic and societal structures inherited by Africans were seriously flawed and geared toward exploitation. Africa was also disadvantaged from the start, because at the time of independence its economies had been underdeveloped by the European colonial powers. But this is not the whole story. Countries like Malaysia, Singapore, and Taiwan were colonies until the mid-20th century, but all have since done pretty well for themselves. So have the oil-rich states of the Persian Gulf, such as Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar — all former British “protectorates” and all now boasting the kind of ultramodern infrastructure many British cities can only envy. What is preventing Equatorial Guinea, which has a population of 1.2 million and is sub-Saharan Africa’s third-largest producer of oil and gas, from becoming a developmental marvel in the model of the Gulf?

What is preventing Equatorial Guinea, which has a population of 1.2 million and is sub-Saharan Africa’s third-largest producer of oil and gas, from becoming a developmental marvel in the model of the Gulf?

Of course, Africa is “not a country” — but rather a diverse continent of 54 countries at varying levels of development. But the reality is that in far too many of these countries we see the same problems over and over: mass poverty, gross inequality, endemic corruption, weak institutions, generally inefficient and insensitive governance, and overpopulation in relation to available resources.

Defensiveness and denial are not helping the hundreds of millions of impoverished Africans living in want, insecurity, and fear. At best, this kind of attitude allows Africa’s middle-class intellectuals and privileged classes to avoid the public airing of uncomfortable and sometimes embarrassing truths about the continent where they live. After all, they are the ones who have the time and ability to take to social media and voice outrage anytime they feel that Africa is being slighted.

It is perfectly acceptable for Africans to demand respect from Western leaders. But they should also strive to earn it through economic success — just as Asia has done in recent decades. But to achieve success, we must look inward at the real causes of the problems facing us, rather than constantly blaming them on racism and the legacy of colonialism."

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

4 hours ago, Francie said:

Most of the charitys are corrupt anyway, by the time the big fatcats at the top get there cut i think its only 2% gets to the people, absolute scam it is.

I think being outrightly corrupt is a bit of a stretch but there's definitely corruption within and that can be said for most organisations. The Red Cross came under fire recently for 'losing' half a billion in Haiti and then there was the noncery commited under the Oxfam banner and while disgraceful I wouldn't agree that it's their mission statement and more that they've been infiltrated by a criminal element. While I don't see THL going in for the £2 a month pledge the website www.charitynavigator.org is a pretty good start if you want to see which of these organisations are the best value for your donation money. It breaks down income and outgoings but you can look at executive salaries too. Oxfam America received over $93mUSD in donations in 2018. 100% of their revenue comes from donations. Their current president earns just $200,000USD a year and their former president was on just under $400,000.

One of the issues not mentioned is climate change. While we all know it's a complete myth on THL how would the panel feel if large parts of the African continent become uninhabitable? Where do you think these people fleeing this hypothetical crisis are going to go? South Pole or Europe?

 

[The one 8,468]

Time they had a concert for us 

[dogmandont 9,802]

5 minutes ago, Our team said:

Actually. Its a country ruled by England and America. We own all gold and jewellery mines. All theyve got left is begging.?    Our moneys help but will never solve it. Its the only industry they have left 

 

 

 

That’s because they are to lazy to mine it themselves. China is hoovering up massive amounts of Africa’s natural resources. 

[mackem 26,264]

16 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

That’s because they are to lazy to mine it themselves. China is hoovering up massive amounts of Africa’s natural resources. 

China has invested massively in Africa,they are buying the place.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

27 minutes ago, Our team said:

Actually. Its a country ruled by England and America. We own all gold and jewellery mines. All theyve got left is begging.?    Our moneys help but will never solve it. Its the only industry they have left 

 

 

 

They've got resources like oil, gas, timber, fish to name only a few.

Without getting started on precious metals and stones or the potential tourism money.

 

The whole continent should be booming but, it's destined to be a shit hole for the foreseeable future.

[Meece 1,957]

7 hours ago, hily said:

Said this before at 5 years old the teacher gave me a book of pictures of black kids take this home and get your mam or dad to buy them the money will go to help these poor African kids that was 60 years ago nowts changed.

Sunny smiles .  if I remember.

6 hours ago, shovel leaner said:

I am 53 and I can remember collecting milk bottle tops and stamps at school at School . It was for some “Blue Peter “ save the Africans . We’ve been sending cash out , building schools and wells and giving Ploughs , for as long as I can remember. Nothing ever changes, I’ve not donated to anything to do with Africa for years , total waste of time .

I remember all of that stuff when I was at school.  Although there are vast amounts of starving and hungry in the world I have become very anti charity for many of the above reasons.  What hacks me is when you travel by air there is always some collection on the plane where you are urged to put you loose left over change into an envelope to help poor little Mbongo. BUT if you look at it closer the detail is that XXX airline donated.  £ YYYYYY to Mbongo's charity !!  NO passengers like me donated.

The other thing that hack me is that these 2 bit actors trying to put a guilt trip on me about the fact that little Mbongo is walking miles to drink shit water out of the same puddle that some other Mbongo is pissing into along with his cattle.  What are their governments doing to put water wells into the equation.  they can soon go out and get Italian suits and big Mecedees limos.  I'll put my money in the RNLI tin.

ps. they could move little Mbongo's mud hut a bit closer to the puddle so that he didn't have so far to walk and he could piss into the puddle as well. recycling is all the rage nowadays. waste not, want not.