Brexit

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Yea but those onions don’t tie themselves together do they .

[king 11,972]

8 hours ago, stop.end said:

I think the whole thing maybe going over your head a little bit... this whole fcuk storm.. has been manufactured for more than 40 years ago... believe it or not.. the elites play chess not checkers.. they have been tip toeing this shit from many a year.. lol you think there all actually arguing with conviction for the good of the average man?? Farage and juncker after 7 o clock are actually more likely sharing lines of coke of some high class brussels hookers arse while dressed as puppys sharing a pint of boddingtons and sniffing each others hoop than on their  European expenses paid for by us than they are going back to their hotel room to shuffle through papers..and guess what.. rush to your kitchen and get the tin foil for ill give you a little piece.. the Vatican are involved at the highest levels in the jungles in Calais, the smuggling of immigrants through Europe and once they get them there they or sorry the so call likes of UNICEF and red cross and a few other whats called NGO non government organizations are involved.. all owned by or started by and run by other prominent some British interests...they get €35 per person per day... the Vatican plus other high European elites own they land there occupying and there charging rent..and its the national people paying.. then you have high Easter European mafia and gangs involved in supplying kids who have no papers to all sorts of sick fcuks.. most in Hollywood, politics, high up judiciary system police the list goes on... yes if looked deep enough its probably Teresa mays nephew supplying the dingys and motors.. not directly obviously lol.. as has been said before why you think there opening the police and army and politics in our own countries to muslim queers lesbians peadophiles gender fluids and fcuking hermaphrodites... is so when we finally wake up, wise up and rise up then the EU army, which is coming.... very very soon and is full of all sorts with no patriotism to any country or moral code... will open up with live bullets from tactical assault rifles.. and our freedoms will be so eroded by that time... the very near future... it will be classed as a victory for communism because that's actually what system we are living under........ and not a fcuckin catastrophe....but look on the bright side son... you will still be KING .. in your hunting life virtual life....

Feck knows then.theres a few days of research to go through all what you said.

So what's the best thing to do.

Just ignore everything and carry on regardless.

Leave them crack on ?

[dave88 1,565]

50 minutes ago, king said:

Feck knows then.theres a few days of research to go through all what you said.

So what's the best thing to do.

Just ignore everything and carry on regardless.

Leave them crack on ?

That seems to be the British consensus mate...ignore it and hope it goes away

[Nicepix 5,650]

9 hours ago, Jonjon79 said:

So what? None of that means that we should take your problem off of your hands.

 

Your analogies mean nothing to me - they're a French problem and, that's exactly how it should stay as far as I'm concerned.

 .......... If you don't like it, round them up and f**k them off to the first safe country that they landed in or, deport them back to their point of origin - refugees Vs economic migrants.

But the UK doesn't return illegal immigrants because of the problems with trying to do that so how can the French?

[Jonjon79 13,358]

47 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

But the UK doesn't return illegal immigrants because of the problems with trying to do that so how can the French?

Yes we do. Look it up.

[Nicepix 5,650]

27 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Yes we do. Look it up.

Not in sufficient numbers to make a difference. Same with the French and other EU countries.

If you want to research the root of the problem I'd suggest that you look up the most popular destinations for these migrants then look up their welfare systems compared to the countries the migrants just pass through and you might realise where the problem lies. Viktor Orban refuses to waste money registering and housing his EU quota of immigrants because they don't want to stay in Hungary. They disappear north as soon as they have been registered in the EU. Same in Greece, Italy, Spain and France. France is a great place to live - if you have a job or other income. It doesn't provide the Nanny State welfare and health care to those who don't work like the UK does. It hasn't got a growing labour market and generous pension scheme like Germany has. It doesn't look after immigrants like Sweden has. Spain and Italy are the same.

Then look at the numbers who have arrived in the UK, Germany and Sweden illegally and compare that with the numbers successfully returned. Then you might realise that these refugees have come to the conclusion that once they manage to sneak into their chosen destination they have very little chance of being returned. And once safely registered they can, by law, bring family members over.

The British press and TV do not report the situation in Greece and Italy. But, the refugee situation has not been solved at that end and with summer coming there will be more making the journey to Europe. Italy and Greece can't keep them all and sooner rather than later they will simply open their borders and wish the tens or thousands of illegal immigrants goodbye as they head north to where they actually want to be. That is why Brexit needs sorting now. So that the UK can distance itself from EU policies and start to change the way the welfare system is accessed.

Remove the attraction and you solve the future problems. It is easier to stop a horse from bolting that stop a bolting horse. And all this talk of sending them back is way off mark. You can't send them back if they don't tell you where they are from. You can't send them back to places that are deemed to be dangerous under international law. You need to remove the reason they want to come to prevent more problems arriving.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

Our benefits system and how we deal with people in this country doesn't matter - what we're talking about is how your mob try to deal with it by passing off the problem.

 ......... Your government should have stopped them on your southern border but they didn't - they thought they'd just let them mosey on through to the land of milk and honey - same as every other EU country did.

But, it backfired and, now you have a mess to deal with.

 

Here's some info on how the UK has dealt with some of them..............

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-september-2018/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

[dogmandont 9,802]

28 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Our benefits system and how we deal with people in this country doesn't matter - what we're talking about is how your mob try to deal with it by passing off the problem.

 ......... Your government should have stopped them on your southern border but they didn't - they thought they'd just let them mosey on through to the land of milk and honey - same as every other EU country did.

But, it backfired and, now you have a mess to deal with.

 

Here's some info on how the UK has dealt with some of them..............

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-september-2018/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

Illegal immigrants is only the tip of the iceberg though isn’t it, tories promised to take immigration to below 100k when they first came into power but it’s still rising, with last year there being almost 300k LEGAL immigrants coming in. I’d be more inclined to worry about those than a handful making it across the channel in a dingy. 

[Nicepix 5,650]

42 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Our benefits system and how we deal with people in this country doesn't matter - what we're talking about is how your mob try to deal with it by passing off the problem.

 ......... Your government should have stopped them on your southern border but they didn't - they thought they'd just let them mosey on through to the land of milk and honey - same as every other EU country did.

But, it backfired and, now you have a mess to deal with.

 

Here's some info on how the UK has dealt with some of them..............

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-september-2018/how-many-people-are-detained-or-returned

You just don't get it do you? When France dismantled the refugee camps they started climbing on lorries in Belgium. They are being smuggled over in boats to Scotland from northern Europe. Whatever the French, Belgiums, Dutch or any of the southern countries do it will not stop them coming. It will just change the route. The only way to stop them coming is to remove the cause. The UK cannot support an increasing number of benefits seekers so they need to bring the benefits and health systems into line with other European countries. Then they will stop trying to get to the UK.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

8 minutes ago, Nicepix said:

You just don't get it do you? When France dismantled the refugee camps they started climbing on lorries in Belgium. They are being smuggled over in boats to Scotland from northern Europe. Whatever the French, Belgiums, Dutch or any of the southern countries do it will not stop them coming. It will just change the route. The only way to stop them coming is to remove the cause. The UK cannot support an increasing number of benefits seekers so they need to bring the benefits and health systems into line with other European countries. Then they will stop trying to get to the UK.

No, it's you that doesn't get it - you've just shown yourself up to be a typical EU federalist.

 ......... Why should we bring anything in line with Europe? How's that working out for the likes of Greece, Italy, Spain etc? 

We voted to leave and, we should be gone already.

You can't muddy the waters and try to deflect the problem by saying that it's our fault because the British work hard to put taxes into a system in attempt to look after them selves.

Infact, the skint money grabbing EU are a bigger threat to UK finances than the migrants.

 

The fact remains that third world migrants are crossing the Med', landing in Europe and, your lazy governments are doing virtually f**k all about it.

[Jonjon79 13,358]

34 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

Illegal immigrants is only the tip of the iceberg though isn’t it, tories promised to take immigration to below 100k when they first came into power but it’s still rising, with last year there being almost 300k LEGAL immigrants coming in. I’d be more inclined to worry about those than a handful making it across the channel in a dingy. 

Yes it is, I agree but, that's a whole new conversation - I think we do need some immigration but, we need the right people.

 

We should take some genuine refugees but, not the piss takers.

 ......... The border force and immigration services need more funding so that they can do a proper job of it.

[dogmandont 9,802]

9 minutes ago, Jonjon79 said:

Yes it is, I agree but, that's a whole new conversation - I think we do need some immigration but, we need the right people.

 

We should take some genuine refugees but, not the piss takers.

 ......... The border force and immigration services need more funding so that they can do a proper job of it.

They don’t need funding they need a government with a fcuking backbone and their own people’s interests at heart. 

[NEWKID 27,127]

There is no doubt the attraction of our welfare system brings people from all over the world like flies to shit....

I agree the whole system needs a proper shake up, the start in my mind was leaving the EU so we could implement systems to suit the British people without another unelected body to answer too...

Blaming the rest of Europe is a bit short sighted in my opinion, we have a very real border in the English Channel, but our governments have chosen to increase immigration year on year, with no real vetting procedure... said loads of times controlled immigration can be very good for the host country..our current policies are f****d up, and have a whole different agenda.... that's our countries fault (by that I mean our "leaders" (for want of a better word)...)

 

Edited April 14, 2019 by NEWKID

[mackem 26,261]

[WILF 46,660]

9 minutes ago, mackem said:

He is one of Max’s pals that have contributed and benefitted our way of life.....leave him alone, blokes an asset !