Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) On 28/10/2018 at 07:01, pesky1972 said: So there have been a few tremors recorded..., has there been so much as a tea cup cracked? Let them get on with it I say...., especially as it’s fcukin miles away from me I'll bet no one on this thread will have much knowledge on fracking but still feel they are knowledgeable enough to oppose it. The media f***ing love it, such an easy sell. I'm surprised the quake in New Zealand yesterday wasn't blamed on Cuadrilla! I don't know enough one way or the other to be perfectly honest but the over-reaction is plain enough to see. Edited October 30, 2018 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 I'd let them crack in my garden if they paid me lol There worse things than fracking imo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, scothunter said: I'd let them crack in my garden if they paid me lol There worse things than fracking imo I get that people are concerned but I also think that the actual risk is being sensationalised. Being anti-fracking is trendy, like being vegan, anti hunting or anti trump. People want to believe the bollocks because it's popular to do, so the media print it and the people lap it up. Shale gas represents a win for this countries economy and energy security. It's too easily dismissed imo. This seismic activity wasn't even 'felt', never mind an environmental disaster. All policy decisions should be evidence based. Too many opinions being voiced from the wrong people imo. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
riohog 5,729 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: I get that people are concerned but I also think that the actual risk is being sensationalised. Being anti-fracking is trendy, like being vegan, anti hunting or anti trump. People want to believe the bollocks because it's popular to do, so the media print it and the people lap it up. Shale gas represents a win for this countries economy and energy security. It's too easily dismissed imo. This seismic activity wasn't even 'felt', never mind an environmental disaster. All policy decisions should be evidence based. Too many opinions being voiced from the wrong people imo. yep just gives the snowflakes something else to winge about . fannys .. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
pesky1972 5,333 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Born Hunter said: I'll bet no one on this thread will have much knowledge on fracking but still feel they are knowledgeable enough to oppose it. The media f***ing love it, such an easy sell. I'm surprised the quake in New Zealand yesterday wasn't blamed on Cuadrilla! I don't know enough one way or the other to be perfectly honest but the over-reaction is plain enough to see. Same people can see straight through the anti-hunting mis-information and propaganda, but can’t see the same tactics being deployed by this particular brand of tree huggers. Scotland has a moratorium on fracking following a public consultation.., no-one I know even knew anything about it until it was a done deal. Thing I can’t work out is, given what they’re up against, and the jury still being out with most of the ‘thinking’ public, why would you call your company Cuadrilla??? When the antis are looking to paint you as a monster, why have a company that sounds like Godzilla? Why not call it ‘Ecodrill’..., or ‘HappyGas’ ..., something like that??? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 6 hours ago, Born Hunter said: I'll bet no one on this thread will have much knowledge on fracking but still feel they are knowledgeable enough to oppose it. The media f***ing love it, such an easy sell. I'm surprised the quake in New Zealand yesterday wasn't blamed on Cuadrilla! I don't know enough one way or the other to be perfectly honest but the over-reaction is plain enough to see. I think this is one of them things you don't need to be an expert on, pumping rock melting chemicals and high pressure water to break the rock beneath our feet can't be a good thing for anyone other than cuadrilla shareholders. I'm not an expert on tropical diseases but I still don't want any 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, JDHUNTING said: I think this is one of them things you don't need to be an expert on, pumping rock melting chemicals and high pressure water to break the rock beneath our feet can't be a good thing for anyone other than cuadrilla shareholders. Why can't it be good? North sea operators pay something stupid like 80% tax on profits. I don't know what the deal with onshore rigs would be but that's a rough idea of some good. Energy independence Lower gas price Local gas industry job creation Etc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, maxhardcore said: The thing is folk won't get a better deal on their gas. They never do. Greedy Fat cats will want it all. A local source of gas will 100% result in a drop in the price. How much depends on many other factors. I watch oil and mineral markets quite closely and the evidence for this effect is overwhelming. Most obvious was the oil oversupply a few years back that sent the price at the pump right down from like £1.45 to barely £1. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JDHUNTING 1,817 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 39 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: Why can't it be good? North sea operators pay something stupid like 80% tax on profits. I don't know what the deal with onshore rigs would be but that's a rough idea of some good. Energy independence Lower gas price Local gas industry job creation Etc It's like ripping your hut apart for firewood it's easy to shout about the short term benefits but only an idiot wouldn't realise there condemning themselves in the long run. Would you let someone fracture the foundations of your house if they offered you £500 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meece 1,958 Posted October 30, 2018 Report Share Posted October 30, 2018 Every situation is different but if water is being used to displace water and gas whats the difference? Surely there is more of a negative pressure difference when oil is extracted. There is no evidence that fracking will cause substantial damage.some states have had issues and other states haven't. It looks like the water is acting like oil and Making existing faults slide under ground. The Thai g that is bad is that the goverment will grab a big percentage of any profit as taxes but the individuals whose houses crack and move probably won't get didly squat for inconvienience and damage without fighting tooth and claw. https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/06/19/study-finds-fracking-doesnt-harm-drinking-water-texas/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 9 hours ago, JDHUNTING said: It's like ripping your hut apart for firewood it's easy to shout about the short term benefits but only an idiot wouldn't realise there condemning themselves in the long run. Would you let someone fracture the foundations of your house if they offered you £500 How is it like that? what is the shale doing that's so important? How are we condemning ourselves? But they're not fracturing house foundations, they're fracking shale formations deep deep below. And so yes I would be totally fine with that for no money never mind 500. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, maxhardcore said: That oil oversupply was down to Saudis flooding the market for their own purposes. For a educated lad your very naive Born' that should come with age tho lol I know I'm demonstrating cause and effect for you to prove how increase in supply effects price. So why's the cause significant? You love calling my intelligence when you run out of decent rebuttals don't you. Says more about you than me fella. Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arry 22,357 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 Well I'm not clever with words or anything, but I think its a great shame the government back corporate companies can frack under peoples home even if the people in that area don't agree. This causing worry for them and their wife and kids, imagine trying to explain to your little kids "oh its alright they are only little earthquakes" and at the same time crossing your fingers and thinking I hope I'm right. I don't care if Blackpool is a shit hole or not, there playing with peoples life and they don't give a flying Fxck about any of us. If they get away with this experiment, they will be coming to a place near you after. I think its up up to 30 quakes now, how many do they need. Cheers Arry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said: Fracking in UK will not effect the price the way Saudi over production did last year. It won;t effect the global price but our current gas supply has logistical costs as it's largely imported from the ME and Norway. Having a local supply will compete with those to drive down prices. That's how market work. My Aramco example was just a demonstration of that. It happens locally too. 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said: They are private company's where Profit is King' the Be All and end all and fook the people. Thats how it works and these faceless Corporations will destroy anything and trample on anyone for Profit. Like the North Sea operators who pay extortionate tax on those profits? Taxes that fund the socialist stuff you're so fond of like the NHS and pensuions... 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said: We are a very small island we cannot afford to destroy the ground below us even if it meant our gas was Free for 200 years never mind to extract it so a Few people can become paper rich beyond their dreams. LOL, how is it destroying the ground below us? Exactly what 'destruction' does shale gas ops cause? You realise the shale formations are already fractured right? 1 hour ago, maxhardcore said: Common Sense ffs ' how many earth quakes in a small area of GB where they have only been Fracking for 2 weeks ????? As Iv said your very Nieave . Quakes that no one could feel. Go on, keep calling me naive. Edited October 31, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,798 Posted October 31, 2018 Report Share Posted October 31, 2018 42 minutes ago, Arry said: Well I'm not clever with words or anything, but I think its a great shame the government back corporate companies can frack under peoples home even if the people in that area don't agree. This causing worry for them and their wife and kids, imagine trying to explain to your little kids "oh its alright they are only little earthquakes" and at the same time crossing your fingers and thinking I hope I'm right. I don't care if Blackpool is a shit hole or not, there playing with peoples life and they don't give a flying Fxck about any of us. If they get away with this experiment, they will be coming to a place near you after. I think its up up to 30 quakes now, how many do they need. Cheers Arry To put it in perspective again, these seismic events weren't even detectable without sensitive equipment. If the BGS hadn't been monitoring then no one would have known they happened. To me the morality of fracking affecting peoples lives is far less concerning than say car owners who pollute the air people breath. Realistically the biggest effects will probably be increased plant traffic. Environmental risks just aren't significant. Fracking potentially holds a lot of benefit for this country and so far 99% of the vocal opponents don't really understand it at all. These are test operations, if things escalate significantly then I'm sure they will be stopped. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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