Guard dogs

[keepdiggin 9,559]

Sounds like I had one of the best ones then

[downsouth 7,151]

12 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said:

He bragged of making trips to y'all's side.Most real dogmen can see through him.He gifted me an undershot male pat last year.About 18 months old.I don't think that terrier would have went to ground for steak nor p#@&y.I wish him no harm but he's a hustler and peddler.

I remember meeting him over here when he came over to judge a bulldog show.A couple of lads who were peddlers of bulldogs over here that had never done a days digging in their life had been sending him patterdales and asked me to bring some of my terriers to show him.I took some photos of my dogs as there was no way I was taking any of my terriers to a show where there was gunna be a load of bulldogs being paraded around by a load of clowns.He asked me if I'd ship him some terriers in exchange for a couple of bulldogs and was quite put out when I just laughed at him after seeing the adult dogs he'd already sent over.Have you ever had any dealings with Darrin Jones from Sandvalley bulldogs?

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

11 hours ago, downsouth said:

I remember meeting him over here when he came over to judge a bulldog show.A couple of lads who were peddlers of bulldogs over here that had never done a days digging in their life had been sending him patterdales and asked me to bring some of my terriers to show him.I took some photos of my dogs as there was no way I was taking any of my terriers to a show where there was gunna be a load of bulldogs being paraded around by a load of clowns.He asked me if I'd ship him some terriers in exchange for a couple of bulldogs and was quite put out when I just laughed at him after seeing the adult dogs he'd already sent over.Have you ever had any dealings with Darrin Jones from Sandvalley bulldogs?

Mr Down south

Birds of a feather flock together.

I don't know Mr jones.I have never personally owned an American bulldog.I supposedly grew up in the heart of that country.Ive owned everything from rat terrier to lurchers lol.I don't know any serious hog hunter who uses them.I would rather swim to your side for a working staff for hogs than use an American bulldog.I don't have a use for guard dogs though this is strictly from hog hunting.All true catchdogs I seen hunting who earned the feed was apbt.Ive seen eighty lb American bulldogs run for the hills.This is dangerous when you're trying to grab a back leg.The best catchdog I ever seen who did it for years was a 30 lb chocolate bitch with no ears.second best was a three legged 40 lb male.

Edited April 10, 2020 by Rickshaw swami
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[bird 9,861]

13 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Mr Down south

Birds of a feather flock together.

I don't know Mr jones.I have never personally owned an American bulldog.I supposedly grew up in the heart of that country.Ive owned everything from rat terrier to lurchers lol.I don't know any serious hog hunter who uses them.I would rather swim to your side for a working staff for hogs than use an American bulldog.I don't have a use for guard dogs though this is strictly from hog hunting.All true catchdogs I seen hunting who earned the feed was apbt.Ive seen eighty lb American bulldogs run for the hills.This is dangerous when you're trying to grab a back leg.The best catchdog I ever seen who did it for years was a 30 lb chocolate bitch with no ears.second best was a three legged 40 lb male.

yeh the apbt from game bred lines, make very good alround hunting dogs,  bit of pit in any type dog had guts, drive, stamina. funny you  speak of the staff, as back in the 80s   i seen a very good 1x staff x greyhound  Tug , he tackle what ever was in front of him, it was seeing him work made mew ant have  bullx greys , these staffs though  were from old  working lines in the black country   west midlands   , where i am born/bred  . these  staffs we had when i was a kid, where tall/leggy/ strong dogs , more like your apbt of today , prob these were the type that went over to the America , that were used to get your apbt  over there. how do you train your pits to just get the ear on the pigs , as alot of  other pig hunters , said what i read the pits in pure form, would grab anywhere  on the pig, and alot got killed, thats why they out crossed them to other breeds to calm the dog a bit. the Oz lads like  ridgeback x pit , or danex pit , just x bred type dogs  where most have drop  of pit in them .

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

Alot of our baydogs we're cur jag or pit German wirehaired pointer cross.The catch dog isn't released until your 30 foot from hog.All pits will not catch on ear but this is what you want.Some of the best were cold dogs if y'all understand this term.Cold dogs from boxdogs seemed to take an ear hold mostly regardless of bloodline.Atrue catchdog in my opinion takes one bite on the ear as hard as he can.This isn't trained nor does it reproduce consistent.In Dixie most folks leg the hog live so things are done different.1 bay dog then 1 catch dog usually the baydog will catch naturally after the catchdog has the business end.Also most jags will naturally go for a boars nuts so while he's castrating him a apbt around 40lbs has the ear held.

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

I posted a couple pics on terrier section.take a look nothing special think the thread is American terrier work 

[bird 9,861]

17 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

Alot of our baydogs we're cur jag or pit German wirehaired pointer cross.The catch dog isn't released until your 30 foot from hog.All pits will not catch on ear but this is what you want.Some of the best were cold dogs if y'all understand this term.Cold dogs from boxdogs seemed to take an ear hold mostly regardless of bloodline.Atrue catchdog in my opinion takes one bite on the ear as hard as he can.This isn't trained nor does it reproduce consistent.In Dixie most folks leg the hog live so things are done different.1 bay dog then 1 catch dog usually the baydog will catch naturally after the catchdog has the business end.Also most jags will naturally go for a boars nuts so while he's castrating him a apbt around 40lbs has the ear held.

thanks for the above , what size pits do you think make the best hunting dogs, what i read the game bred ones weren't  over big  30- 50 lb  , you get 60lb ones but on average 50lb   dogs seemed to be popular  from what i read, but as you said  good apbts come in all good sizes 30-60 lb

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

30-45 lbs was the weight on all the good ones.when you got a bulldog on a leash running through a canebrake swamp small catchdog is handy.Anything over 45-50lbs my dad always said was simply a large target lol 

[bird 9,861]

5 minutes ago, Rickshaw swami said:

30-45 lbs was the weight on all the good ones.when you got a bulldog on a leash running through a canebrake swamp small catchdog is handy.Anything over 45-50lbs my dad always said was simply a large target lol 

make sense that, alot of the pit dogs  weren't over big  , Richard  strattion  books , what ive got  always says  the best ones were 30 -50 lb  , and the pit men didnt like to keep big dogs in the old days, a 45lb pit was a hand full    he said never mind a 60lb one lol

[Aussie Whip 4,086]

My Am bulldog was a great guard,protection dog but at 45kg was too slow and heavy for any serious pig hunting.He was ok at picking up strays around pig traps and was a good holding dog.Most hunters here regard pure pits as too full on and get killed trying to fight the boars or drowned a lot too by pigs.There seems to be a trend of going back to lighter dogs such as English bull/staghound crosses.

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

14 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

My Am bulldog was a great guard,protection dog but at 45kg was too slow and heavy for any serious pig hunting.He was ok at picking up strays around pig traps and was a good holding dog.Most hunters here regard pure pits as too full on and get killed trying to fight the boars or drowned a lot too by pigs.There seems to be a trend of going back to lighter dogs such as English bull/staghound crosses.

I would never discount the American bulldogs guarding ability seen a few work the sleeve pretty impressive.As far as hog dogs the only decent American bulldogs were crosses to bird dogs.They were baydogs.An American bulldog is not a true catchdog in Dixie in my opinion.

15 hours ago, bird said:

make sense that, alot of the pit dogs  weren't over big  , Richard  strattion  books , what ive got  always says  the best ones were 30 -50 lb  , and the pit men didnt like to keep big dogs in the old days, a 45lb pit was a hand full    he said never mind a 60lb one lol

Mr bird

I read strattons books till I memorized them as a kid.If you would like to investigate farther here's a list

Sporting bull terrier Eugene glass it usually can be found for free on Google books.

George armitage thirty years with 

This book will show the real side lol

In George's book from 100 years ago you will see the name komisinski.I talked to Ozzie his protege on the phone for hours about this man.He is the most impressive.Research Walter komisinski on the web.

Tl Williams books show more recent history and worth reading I'm pretty sure he was closed down so these books could be expensive now.

Since I derailed the guarding topic here is a picture of my buddies Presa Canario pup.

 

[Black neck 15,845]

2 hours ago, Rickshaw swami said:

I would never discount the American bulldogs guarding ability seen a few work the sleeve pretty impressive.As far as hog dogs the only decent American bulldogs were crosses to bird dogs.They were baydogs.An American bulldog is not a true catchdog in Dixie in my opinion.

Mr bird

I read strattons books till I memorized them as a kid.If you would like to investigate farther here's a list

Sporting bull terrier Eugene glass it usually can be found for free on Google books.

George armitage thirty years with 

This book will show the real side lol

In George's book from 100 years ago you will see the name komisinski.I talked to Ozzie his protege on the phone for hours about this man.He is the most impressive.Research Walter komisinski on the web.

Tl Williams books show more recent history and worth reading I'm pretty sure he was closed down so these books could be expensive now.

Since I derailed the guarding topic here is a picture of my buddies Presa Canario pup.

 

Looks racy 

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

She is Racey built.Shes also about 10 months in picture.roughly eighty lbs.She doesn't like anyone but him lol 

Edited April 11, 2020 by Rickshaw swami
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[Bosun11 537]

Had a lurcher given to me about 15 years ago. The kid that owned it was in the Jug and his mother was shit scared of it. It was a half starved mess when it arrived.

It's sire was a Scott/Hines 'sports performance' bulldog (a title i've never understood?) And its dam was a greyhound. I'd seen the sire a year or two before and though i dont like em, it was a tidy animal with, i was told, a serious attitude as a guard...

This lurcher, when i got it right, was probably the finest example of a bull blooded lurcher i've ever seen. 28", racy and the head of a purebred.

I thought this thing would destroy all i put before it but sadly, after a lot of work, i realised it was a fecking shithouse. Wouldn't touch a 14lb fox single, and an arse grabber double. It was also a fecking liability with small dogs, hated em and wanted to kill even the most timid of Yorkies.

It went where all doggies like that should go. I fecking wince when i read or see people thinking about AB's for producing lurchers.

[Rickshaw swami 4,102]

Sorry Mr Bosun I made these posts about Alan to try to avoid a waste of time for y'all.Sorry I was late.

Since I'm destroying dreams I was around a few Argentina dogos.The ones in America look awesome but are cowardly compared to a bulldog(apbt)I've seen blackmouth curs who were tougher than the dogos I seen .as always just my opinion but hope it saves someone a few dollars.