Guard dogs

[bird 9,861]

25 minutes ago, shaaark said:

I think you're right there mate. Not just bull or mastiff types either. Look at many lines of gsd for example, and of course, some of the larger sighthound breeds, wolfhounds, deerhounds etc. Far far too big and unsound. Terrible really, when all the above breeds were originally bred for work and agility, as well as strength

spot on mate, your right with the big sighthounds , and spot on regards  gsds , to get a good healthy  gsd with low hip score/ elbows and bold temp, you deff got to buy in from East Europe  etc, where there bred from working lines patrol  guard type dogs straight back 26 in  85  lb ,  Buck my 1x gsd x grey , now he be spot on as gsd type for guard work, he fit, healthy , very powerful 28 in 90 lb , but likes people to much to be guard dog lol he soft temp good with dogs, yet kill a wild animal , full on when hunting  . like say  thats why i went in to lurchers for really, ok if they catch me dinner fair enough, but i like dog that going to make 12 -14 years of age , old bryn  13 in sep , Buck 8 in august , ok apart from injury's working, most lurchers are very healthy dogs, but most dont really guard  , little woody the jack x is our guard dog, Buck scared of him the big wimp lol

[THE STIFFMEISTER 15,674]

Personally I would say a boerbel bred from a rural south  African farm will have very little health issues facing it as long as it stays in that environment.

they just ain’t meant to be chasing after a man for arm grabs or paraded on a choker chain in a park in Walsall. 

that type of dog ain’t meant to live a domestic western existence . 

Its meant to doss around in the shade until it’s owner returns from the farm shop 100k away and keep the property clear of intruders in his absence . 

[Chid 6,488]

21 hours ago, Blackmag said:

My Mrs had a ebt when I first met her that b*****d hated men and would bite you  I have no doubts about that  it was very protective over her and the house it's son was exactly the same nasty egg headed cnut made good ratters though   I know a lad who had one he had its head mounted after armed police shot it after it turned on him 

Where abouts the lad with the mounted ebt from ? 

[Blackmag 6,035]

Just now, Chid said:

Where abouts the lad with the mounted ebt from ? 

Lancs chid 

[Chid 6,488]

22 minutes ago, Blackmag said:

Lancs chid 

Thought it might of been someone who I used to work with he told me a similar story but he was from around Manchester I think 

[Blackmag 6,035]

1 minute ago, Chid said:

Thought it might of been someone who I used to work with he told me a similar story but he was from around Manchester I think 

Pm sent chid 

[Moocher71 4,049]

6 hours ago, shaaark said:

Mad that eh? You'd think a girraffe killing, elephant wrangling breed of dog would have no problem dealing with a big lizard

All depends were that lizard with a vise like clamp grabs it .dont get me wrong I'm sure plenty get taken by dogs .

[shaaark 10,693]

42 minutes ago, Moocher71 said:

All depends were that lizard with a vise like clamp grabs it .dont get me wrong I'm sure plenty get taken by dogs .

I was only messing mate lol . What with talk of them being so big, ferocious etc, that's all. But just for the record, I'm with stiffy on this one. Boerbels and some of these other mastiff/guard types, are certainly a tad 'overkill' in this country.

One of the best guard dogs I've ever seen, was a pretty large collie/mongrel. I jest not 

[Moocher71 4,049]

11 hours ago, shaaark said:

I was only messing mate lol . What with talk of them being so big, ferocious etc, that's all. But just for the record, I'm with stiffy on this one. Boerbels and some of these other mastiff/guard types, are certainly a tad 'overkill' in this country.

One of the best guard dogs I've ever seen, was a pretty large collie/mongrel. I jest not 

They not my kind of jook ,I stick with my lurchers but i don't have lions etc to worie about

[shaaark 10,693]

3 hours ago, Moocher71 said:

They not my kind of jook ,I stick with my lurchers but i don't have lions etc to worie about

lol

[Accip74 7,112]

These mastiff types don’t pass the slobber test for me. I hate fcuking slobber!

[Black neck 15,845]

8 hours ago, Accip74 said:

These mastiff types don’t pass the slobber test for me. I hate fcuking slobber!

Had a ole bull terrier x grey that dribbled all the time only 1 ie had that done it mind she were decent so nevermind 

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[hang & bang 114]

On 18/03/2020 at 16:44, bird said:

well , regards Boerbols  that gaz- lurcher lad on about as breed , if it had been full on bite, like you say regards  25kg bel mal above , he  lucky to get just few stitches  . a bloke who lives by me got a 55kg boerbol bitch ,  3  1/2 yer old bitch thats barks, and i reckon would bite you , when it  loose on his property , and see anybody coming, she real frighting sight, dont forget bitches are smaller than the males. i think you have to shoot  it  to stop it guarding, and from what he told me most are the same from well bred kennels, thee very intense breed as guard dog , far more than any bull mastiff or rottie  . suppose if you lived like Aussie - whip or sombody similar  miles from anybody, well they be spot on, but in your norm size in built up area , there just to feckin big for family/ kids , i surprised  they haven't  killed anybody or kids yet , as there getting more popular as breed . and your right above a bite of a 60-70lb full on bel mal would stop a bloke , forget all this sleeve  crap that on youtube you see with  differnt breeds hitting a sleeve . taking full bite on your hand / arm, or your ankle , is very very painful, my brother got bite on his hand of a dalmatian  we had years ago, up hospital few stitches , his hand was black/ purple , he told  after the pain was feckin murder, like having your hand slammed  between  a door , and that from just 60lb dog. ive always said  well bred gsd from working lines , a 80lb male  stop any man big or  small, but as above  a gun will stop any dog, what ever the breed  , a gsd and jack terrier  a good combo  ,  great hearing (bark) , and both will bite you  . deff 

Yes your right about the sleeve, I've sent Mali's all over the world for police and sport there's the key word everyone misses "sport" while working the sleeve the dog is in pray drive witch is sport a lot of dogs when get the sleeve walk off the tail wagging, I've always wore a full suit and this might sound extreme but a hurleing helmet also when working the more serious type dogs as I've seen to many times a dog switch a grip in a bite and seen so many lads left in a bad way.

 

I'm just gonna translate this in hunting terms for lads on here so here it goes 

You have lurchers that are mad to get off the lead when thy see a fox will turn it inside out snapping at it every turn will tackle it and grip it but soon as thy feel the sharp end thy will jack on it and stand off

Mails are the same some are all teeth and bark and even bite but soon as thy take a kick in the ribs thy will stand off and bark

 

My advise to anyone buying a mail now bear in mind thy rage up to 5k fully trained is bring a trusted decoy with you to test it similar to bringing a mechanic to buy a car, look he can take a gamble on a lurcher if it jacks it jacks no one is hurt and your only down 200/300 depending on your situation a good / bad Mali is the difference between going to bed with your family safe or going to hospital yourself I'm not a wealthy man myself and 5k would be a decent amount for me right now it's just not a gamble you wanna take sorry If I went a little off topic to keep it short you can get a decent guard dog for 200/300 just to patrol a yard that will bark and bite.

 

If anyone is looking for a good Mali thy can message me I'd be happy to help, I dont breed or sell them anymore not looking to profit anything I can just point u in the right way is all and answer any questions you might have about the breed.

[hang & bang 114]

On 18/03/2020 at 19:16, C.green said:

Tbh id rather have a dog with touch of nerve for pp than sommat thats just a prey monster. Im talking about when a dog barks at strangers with no training that type of thing. 

I've absloutly no time for nerve in a dog, you say "prey monster" I understand you and agree your right in that aspect a dog with high pray drive on a sleeve is basically just a pitbull in a spring pole.

 

This is such a complex conversation with many aspects of it many different types of Mali you can relate to like lurchers depends on the game u hunt and ground you work sorry If I lost u in translation hopefully you get what I'm saying

 

 

And to be honest I don't want a PP dog barking at strangers or been aggressive... That's what a guard dog does a PP dog should be neutral to everyone with a on/off switch no point haven a dog that goes for all strangers u have to keep locked up when anyone comes over anything kicks off the dogs in the pen

 

Guard dog's and PP dogs are completely different although thy look the same there mentality is different if any of this is confusing to you of anyone on the fourm please pull me on it I'll be happy to explain 

[Aussie Whip 4,086]

1 hour ago, hang & bang said:

you can get a decent guard dog for 200/300 just to patrol a yard that will bark and bite.

My bandog types don't just guard the yard, they will act as natural body guards as well, having a lazy, laid back,easy to live with temp.I honestly can't see the use for Mali's in domestic situations.