Guard dogs

[Criss86 69]

On 28/10/2018 at 07:28, Penda said:

Well all I can say to that is you've saw shit shepherd mate cause the shepherds I've seen work wouldn't fold at all it's all down knowing what you can do with a dog you see and believe me don't matter how tough you think a dog is there's always away to get round it especially when people train there dogs to rag hell out of a sleeve don't tell the dog to break off and there's more then 1 person against you in the equation  and I highly doubt any proper security force etc would have a dog like that cause if it ever went tits up somebodies for the swing 

ive seen some shit police shepherds before mate do they do different training that aint hardcore? i was chased by one as a teenager and when i turned round and defended myself, shitting my pants i must add, the shepherd turned tail and done one back to its handler. also know a couple lads that have done the same. is it because they aint really trained to take a clumping?

[downsouth 7,151]

1 hour ago, Criss86 said:

ive seen some shit police shepherds before mate do they do different training that aint hardcore? i was chased by one as a teenager and when i turned round and defended myself, shitting my pants i must add, the shepherd turned tail and done one back to its handler. also know a couple lads that have done the same. is it because they aint really trained to take a clumping?

Its not just police shepherds mate.Theres lots of security dogs and sport dogs that will do the same.All they know in training is the decoy/helper runs off down the field cracking his whip holding his arm in the air then when the dog gets a mouthful of sleeve it gets a little fight which in reality is acting like a reward for getting the bite anyway.Youd be surprised how many dogs will back down if they are given a fight before they actually get the bite,some dont even need to be fought Just certain body languge ,an environmental situation or equipment that they've never witnessed before is enough to back them down.When the germans come over and put their trial on they have 3 classes for for dogs of different abilities or stages of training.Each class has about 6 stations or tests which are different crazy ideas they think up every year but each test finishes as soon as the dogs gets the bite as most dogs will fight like f**k once they get a mouthful but the test is to se what the dog will go through to get the bite and its not always physical stress either.Although the nearer to the gold class you get the more physical it gets.

[Penda 3,341]

12 hours ago, elisderyn said:

Do you compete in any competitions or trials with your dogs Penda or do you just do security work with them?

I don't do any competitions mate any work I do with my dad's is purely for my own use the parents to my bitch have done a few trials in the past 

[Penda 3,341]

7 hours ago, downsouth said:

Its not just police shepherds mate.Theres lots of security dogs and sport dogs that will do the same.All they know in training is the decoy/helper runs off down the field cracking his whip holding his arm in the air then when the dog gets a mouthful of sleeve it gets a little fight which in reality is acting like a reward for getting the bite anyway.Youd be surprised how many dogs will back down if they are given a fight before they actually get the bite,some dont even need to be fought Just certain body languge ,an environmental situation or equipment that they've never witnessed before is enough to back them down.When the germans come over and put their trial on they have 3 classes for for dogs of different abilities or stages of training.Each class has about 6 stations or tests which are different crazy ideas they think up every year but each test finishes as soon as the dogs gets the bite as most dogs will fight like f**k once they get a mouthful but the test is to se what the dog will go through to get the bite and its not always physical stress either.Although the nearer to the gold class you get the more physical it gets.

Yeah I agree you do get dogs that will turn tail if the gas is turned up on them you find that in any breed but that's all down to the dog some of the stuff you see people doing with dogs is all down to roll play aswell you put a dog in a situation it's not been in before you'll soon see what they've got

[Penda 3,341]

Lets be honest in this day and age with all the new laws on dogs and stuff a lot of the time now they don't want dogs to bite the bye gone years when the police would take on any dog didn't matter if it was nasty they'd use it it's all history now it's all sniffer dogs and stuff people are training 

[white van man 3,289]

54 minutes ago, Penda said:

Lets be honest in this day and age with all the new laws on dogs and stuff a lot of the time now they don't want dogs to bite the bye gone years when the police would take on any dog didn't matter if it was nasty they'd use it it's all history now it's all sniffer dogs and stuff people are training 

True Penda. This is my old mans line of work. A few years back it was all shepherds for guarding/protection type work. Now it’s all tracking/search/cadaver work. He has trained 2 shepherds this year for search but people prefer to see spaniels and labs doing that type of work. 

The shepherds he sent overseas weren’t lacking in anything. I would have one for a guard anytime! 

 

[Penda 3,341]

2 hours ago, white van man said:

True Penda. This is my old mans line of work. A few years back it was all shepherds for guarding/protection type work. Now it’s all tracking/search/cadaver work. He has trained 2 shepherds this year for search but people prefer to see spaniels and labs doing that type of work. 

The shepherds he sent overseas weren’t lacking in anything. I would have one for a guard anytime! 

 

Shepherds as a working dog in general are very versatile if you've got the right stuff my bitch has hell of a nose finds anything I've even got a lurcher bred through sane stuff

[Criss86 69]

12 hours ago, downsouth said:

Its not just police shepherds mate.Theres lots of security dogs and sport dogs that will do the same.All they know in training is the decoy/helper runs off down the field cracking his whip holding his arm in the air then when the dog gets a mouthful of sleeve it gets a little fight which in reality is acting like a reward for getting the bite anyway.Youd be surprised how many dogs will back down if they are given a fight before they actually get the bite,some dont even need to be fought Just certain body languge ,an environmental situation or equipment that they've never witnessed before is enough to back them down.When the germans come over and put their trial on they have 3 classes for for dogs of different abilities or stages of training.Each class has about 6 stations or tests which are different crazy ideas they think up every year but each test finishes as soon as the dogs gets the bite as most dogs will fight like f**k once they get a mouthful but the test is to se what the dog will go through to get the bite and its not always physical stress either.Although the nearer to the gold class you get the more physical it gets.

i did wonder if it had much to do with the training etc mate as you never see them being trained to take a clump and that before or after the bite. those germans sound like some real pros in that field i would love to see it i can imagine its a quality day watching man and dog working that hardcore! i could imgine me and my dog would have a right day as shes a natural protector and guard! nothing close to there standard i know but has done me proud more than once!

[billhardy 2,342]

11 hours ago, Penda said:

Shepherds as a working dog in general are very versatile if you've got the right stuff my bitch has hell of a nose finds anything I've even got a lurcher bred through sane stuff

I go with this penda fa a all round versatile family guardian the alsation takes a hell of a lot a beating the control and switch button his second to none there hi no need fa anything more in this type of guardian overkill in some bull or mastiff band dog types his way beyond what's needed ,dogs da jobs I know what I prefer if I want to stop any man i can do that myself several if need b atb bill

[bird 9,861]

14 hours ago, Criss86 said:

i did wonder if it had much to do with the training etc mate as you never see them being trained to take a clump and that before or after the bite. those germans sound like some real pros in that field i would love to see it i can imagine its a quality day watching man and dog working that hardcore! i could imgine me and my dog would have a right day as shes a natural protector and guard! nothing close to there standard i know but has done me proud more than once!

what is she  gsd or  bandog type  ?

[Black neck 15,845]

7 hours ago, billhardy said:

I go with this penda fa a all round versatile family guardian the alsation takes a hell of a lot a beating the control and switch button his second to none there hi no need fa anything more in this type of guardian overkill in some bull or mastiff band dog types his way beyond what's needed ,dogs da jobs I know what I prefer if I want to stop any man i can do that myself several if need b atb bill

I'm the same I could stop 10 men in their tracks when I bin on the beans

[billhardy 2,342]

9 hours ago, bird said:

what is she  gsd or  bandog type  ?

Ray yas right the geries show us Brits the way ,been that ways since we give there country back they learned by losing samecana be said of this push uk now soft outlook .atb bill

[billhardy 2,342]

5 hours ago, Black neck said:

I'm the same I could stop 10 men in their tracks when I bin on the beans

No need f beans blacky some of us are born different .atb bill

[ginger beard 4,652]

45 minutes ago, billhardy said:

No need f beans blacky some of us are born different .atb bill

Certainly are bill,certainly are.

[Criss86 69]

13 hours ago, bird said:

what is she  gsd or  bandog type  ?

shes a bandog  type but looks like an american bulldog the old painters type. shes done me good the last 6 years plus on more than one occasion! far more clued up than my brothers rottie i looked after for a year