Guard dogs

[downsouth 7,248]

3 hours ago, bird said:

Just read  about the cane corso   now they slimmer type than a neo. But very good guards, and from what is said far more healthy than a pure neo. Surely these would make great Bandog when out x to apbt, do they use this x , David hancock who wrote about mastiffs said, the cane corso was very good breed and hopes they don't get ruined by the KC,  but as yet there not over popular

They're already everywhere and being bred the f**k out of.90% of them are complete nervous bags of shit that dont ever compare to to the Neo for guarding instinct or nerve.And they are only a made up bandog of types anyway just a shit one.And if they're physically right then they wouldnt need crossing anyway.

[bird 9,873]

1 hour ago, downsouth said:

They're already everywhere and being bred the f**k out of.90% of them are complete nervous bags of shit that dont ever compare to to the Neo for guarding instinct or nerve.And they are only a made up bandog of types anyway just a shit one.And if they're physically right then they wouldnt need crossing anyway.

I didn't know that about the breed, only what david hancock write, and he never tested the breed like you have prob done, so I rather you see the breed for what it really is. Do you know if and where then they breed good temp and healthy Neos? As most KC. Neos are very unhealthy not long lived dogs and pay over £1800  and dog dead at 6 year old,

 

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

I remember English Mastiffs over here 40 years ago being leaner but big boned with pretty serious attitude and didn't need crossing,but it was a different time.

[keepdiggin 9,560]

Kennel club has a lot to answer for

[downsouth 7,248]

4 hours ago, bird said:

I didn't know that about the breed, only what david hancock write, and he never tested the breed like you have prob done, so I rather you see the breed for what it really is. Do you know if and where then they breed good temp and healthy Neos? As most KC. Neos are very unhealthy not long lived dogs and pay over £1800  and dog dead at 6 year old,

 

Not really To be fair Ive seen plenty with solid temperaments and nerves but they're all pretty shit physically.Although my pal who has the brindle bandog that I put up a few posts back had a cracking bitch that was a pure fluke.Rangey and only about 120lb and not too over wrinkled in the face.Ive also got a pal in Holland that has 2 crackers that he got from Germany.There was also another kennel over here breeding some decent specimens but despite what their paperwork said they'd definitely been outcrossed.The thing is with the Neos most of their problems have arose from being bred so oversized.If you can get one not too overdone and cross it to a decent bulldog that can be sorted But if you've got a mastiff type with shit nerves you're on a non starter because shit nerves will always keep throwing out in future litters

[hang & bang 114]

Stand back and watch the grate work of the kennel clubs world wide class act the c**ts

The neapolitan mastiff

Pictures say a thousand words.

[forest of dean redneck 11,591]

1 minute ago, hang & bang said:

Stand back and watch the grate work of the kennel clubs world wide class act the c**ts

The neapolitan mastiff

Pictures say a thousand words.

Only got to look at the bulldog haven't you. 

[hang & bang 114]

Just now, forest of dean redneck said:

Only got to look at the bulldog haven't you. 

Ruined all working dogs mate every single last one of them shower of c**ts 

[eastcoast 4,118]

From Colonel Hancock's the Heritage of the Dog. No details of the dog given in the book other than a German Boxer. Always assumed post WW2 Germany as the author was stationed there as part of the British Army on the Rhine. I like the dog but always find the picture a bit comical from the aspect of dogs looking like their owners and vice versa.

I have noticed a slow but steady increase in Boxer dogs around were I live for quite a while now. The original dogs that people owned tended to conform with modern show Boxer ideal, rather light weight and uncharacteristically athletic. There seems to have been a change in type over the years though. I notice dogs with more substance, broader, heavier and more powerful heads yet still fit and healthy looking animals.

I wonder if this is down to people breeding them who do not know what they are doing? They are not aware of the KC standard and indiscriminately put a conveniently located dog over their bitch. They are not selectively breeding for show points as they are not aware of them. The results being a more "bully" type of animal reverting back to type of the breeds' origin. The Boxers that I see around here now are nicer looking animals than those of years ago IMO.      

[downsouth 7,248]

2 hours ago, hang & bang said:

Stand back and watch the grate work of the kennel clubs world wide class act the c**ts

The neapolitan mastiff

Pictures say a thousand words.

The dogs like that top one are f***ing hideous but they are the extreme show dogs There are still a fair few about that are closer to the bottom one than the top.Maybe a bit heavier but im pretty sure Ive seen that bottom dog and its not a pure Neo.

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

13 hours ago, eastcoast said:

The boxer didn't look too impressed staying at the YMCA lol.Seriously,I don't know what boxers temp,health was like pre show days but they are pretty healthy still over here and give a good account of themselves pig hunting in pure form or as crosses.

[eastcoast 4,118]

10 hours ago, Aussie Whip said:

The boxer didn't look too impressed staying at the YMCA lol.Seriously,I don't know what boxers temp,health was like pre show days but they are pretty healthy still over here and give a good account of themselves pig hunting in pure form or as crosses.

It is just something that I have noticed with several KC breeds once they become very popular with pet owners or peddlers. They don't selectively breed for the unnatural show points that came about due to poorly drafted or misinterpreted breed standards and 'accidentally ' start producing animals closer to the original within several generations. 

Seen it with Staffords and also probably why some lines of Fox Terriers (not pet breeders or peddlers) on mainland Europe are not as 'freakish 'as the ones that show people continue to breed. 

Probably got way too much time on my hands at the minute, way off the original thread I know.

[hang & bang 114]

On 20/04/2020 at 17:57, downsouth said:

The dogs like that top one are f***ing hideous but they are the extreme show dogs There are still a fair few about that are closer to the bottom one than the top.Maybe a bit heavier but im pretty sure Ive seen that bottom dog and its not a pure Neo.

That bottom dog you would not of seen before unless you were searching the history of the Neo dogs long dead that dog.

[Aussie Whip 4,097]

5 hours ago, eastcoast said:

It is just something that I have noticed with several KC breeds once they become very popular with pet owners or peddlers. They don't selectively breed for the unnatural show points that came about due to poorly drafted or misinterpreted breed standards and 'accidentally ' start producing animals closer to the original within several generations. 

Seen it with Staffords and also probably why some lines of Fox Terriers (not pet breeders or peddlers) on mainland Europe are not as 'freakish 'as the ones that show people continue to breed. 

Probably got way too much time on my hands at the minute, way off the original thread I know.

No,you have a good point and hadn't thought about that to you mentioned it.Maybe gives a glimmer of hope for some breeds people have written off.

[downsouth 7,248]

10 hours ago, hang & bang said:

That bottom dog you would not of seen before unless you were searching the history of the Neo dogs long dead that dog.

I've searched a lot of history on them.Im sure its behind the dogs of a well known working kennel in the states.