Guard dogs

[Hannibal 2 35]

1 minute ago, Black neck said:

To the have tendency to get fat if you ain't careful 

Yes they do if not kept active and fed crap like any dog I suppose

I think with dogs of this size the key is to let them grow slowly and naturally not accelerate it with really high protein food. The giant breed puppy food is the worst for that

[Black neck 15,849]

6 minutes ago, Hannibal 2 said:

Yes they do if not kept active and fed crap like any dog I suppose

I think with dogs of this size the key is to let them grow slowly and naturally not accelerate it with really high protein food. The giant breed puppy food is the worst for that

How do you keep them fit like just interested 

[Hannibal 2 35]

1 minute ago, Black neck said:

How do you keep them fit like just interested 

I'm not doing anything really with my bitch apart from letting her roam about my stables and play with some obedience training as she still is so young. Giant breeds bones haven't fused together properly until around 18 months so can do a lot of damage of pushed too early.

once grown she will be free running with my other dogs and out running along with the horses on hacks as well as her guarding duties so she will be kept fit.

the sire came from a cattle ranch and used to follow the horses rounding up the cattle for 10 plus miles a day.

[Black neck 15,849]

1 minute ago, Hannibal 2 said:

I'm not doing anything really with my bitch apart from letting her roam about my stables and play with some obedience training as she still is so young. Giant breeds bones haven't fused together properly until around 18 months so can do a lot of damage of pushed too early.

once grown she will be free running with my other dogs and out running along with the horses on hacks as well as her guarding duties so she will be kept fit.

the sire came from a cattle ranch and used to follow the horses rounding up the cattle for 10 plus miles a day.

Sounds good mate spose you could bike them if you wanted to rarely see them type in fit condition but they look the bollox when the are

[Hannibal 2 35]

1 minute ago, Black neck said:

Sounds good mate spose you could bike them if you wanted to rarely see them type in fit condition but they look the bollox when the are

Yeah they do look good when in condition

a lot of wankers have got hold of them now and just breeding for size so not long and the breed will be ruined

[downsouth 7,151]

Just now, Hannibal 2 said:

Yeah they do look good when in condition

a lot of wankers have got hold of them now and just breeding for size so not long and the breed will be ruined

Same as everything mate.ABs went downhill as soon as they became popular.Quality bandogs are being far outnumbered by shitty scatterbred mutts now.The best thing is when they're worth f**k all so only the genuine enthusiasts stick with them.

[Black neck 15,849]

Just now, downsouth said:

Same as everything mate.ABs went downhill as soon as they became popular.Quality bandogs are being far outnumbered by shitty scatterbred mutts now.The best thing is when they're worth f**k all so only the genuine enthusiasts stick with them.

Wise words 

[Aussie Whip 4,086]

In a way they should have left Boerboels in Africa where they are needed.They would be more likely to just breed for performance and genuine work,guarding from dangerous animals and locals.Same as any breed,will deteriorate if not used to their full ability imo.

[Ptd87 304]

Couple of better pics of my Belgian gremlin mutts I posted further back ... 

[gnasher16 30,025]

5 hours ago, downsouth said:

Hes not going to be able to stop her getting any heavier if shes only 6months old.Hip,elbow and patella problems comes more from poor breeding rather than just size/weght.There have been quite a few very large Boerboels imported with excellent hip/elbow scores.Id sooner have a pup from these than much smaller/lighter parents that havn't been x-rayed and scored.

I agree....i remember learning the hard way the importance of finding out the physicality of the way dogs are bred....many years ago i had been given a real well bred bulldog to shape up he came from great individuals yet his own litter and a previous litter very few had made the grade which i found odd......until a month down the line i began to notice his body just wasnt coping with the stress of hard exercise,his cardio and lung power just wasnt responding....naively i was pushing him beyond what his structure could take....." he,s a bulldog he can take it " i would think....but when i researched the previous litter and his own littermates very few were making the grade due to their bodies breaking down,bad hips,slipping patellas,clicking pasterns.....the outcross of his breeding had introduced inherent structural problems so for all the great qualities they had on paper they were worthless.

Edited March 19, 2019 by gnasher16

[bird 9,861]

6 minutes ago, gnasher16 said:

I agree....i remember learning the hard way the importance of finding out the physicality of the way dogs are bred....many years ago i had been given a real well bred bulldog to shape up he came from great individuals yet his own litter and a previous litter very few had made the grade which i found odd......until a month down the line i began to notice his body just wasnt coping with the stress of hard exercise,his cardio and lung power just wasnt responding....naively i was pushing him beyond what his structure could take....." he,s a bulldog he can take it " i would think....but when i researched the previous litter and his own littermates very few were making the grade due to their bodies breaking down,bad hips,slipping patellas,clicking pasterns.....the outcross of his breeding had introduced inherent physical problems so for all the great qualities they had on paper they were worthless.

true with breeding , what i was getting at, is ( any) large type dog are more prone to HD and elbow,knee, probs , now this came from 2 different vets , both said when dogs get over 100lb  these probs are alot more common . i not saying all big breeds more so when well bred and hip scored  etc, but hell of a lot are fooked. i asked all these questions  regard when i was getting Buck m 1x gsd x grey , as alot of gsds are crap    as we all know the health probs in the breed, you need to get them from working lines from E/E  to get a healthy  and good temp gsd today. they both said Buck should be more healthy than norm gsd as he hybrid = x breed, .  maybe  my mate bitch is a poor specimen of the breed, dont know, but i know one thing having been round dogs 56  years , seen all types big and small, and still say a well bred  80lb dog    what ever the breed , gsd, mal, rottie,  bandog  , will stop  most joe public , if  real thief  wanted to break in your property , they just shoot or poison  your dog . i remember  reading  few years ago  a garage  had a gsd and rottie  , they stole  few cars , found the dogs dead been shot, that say it all  dont it  . !!

[gnasher16 30,025]

25 minutes ago, bird said:

true with breeding , what i was getting at, is ( any) large type dog are more prone to HD and elbow,knee, probs , now this came from 2 different vets , both said when dogs get over 100lb  these probs are alot more common . i not saying all big breeds more so when well bred and hip scored  etc, but hell of a lot are fooked. i asked all these questions  regard when i was getting Buck m 1x gsd x grey , as alot of gsds are crap    as we all know the health probs in the breed, you need to get them from working lines from E/E  to get a healthy  and good temp gsd today. they both said Buck should be more healthy than norm gsd as he hybrid = x breed, .  maybe  my mate bitch is a poor specimen of the breed, dont know, but i know one thing having been round dogs 56  years , seen all types big and small, and still say a well bred  80lb dog    what ever the breed , gsd, mal, rottie,  bandog  , will stop  most joe public , if  real thief  wanted to break in your property , they just shoot or poison  your dog . i remember  reading  few years ago  a garage  had a gsd and rottie  , they stole  few cars , found the dogs dead been shot, that say it all  dont it  . !!

I dont think its even necessarily the weight of a dog,its like people a bloke of 20 stone at 6 ft 4 is going to carry the weight far better than a 20 stone bloke at 5 ft 8 and structurally thats all down to things like leverage and the insertion points of tendons and muscles etc the joints of short stocky limbs are under far more stress than longer limbs as they have far less range of motion,particularly when used athletically.

Low to the ground dogs like heavy set Staffords always suffer more patella slips for instance than rangier breeds for that exact reason.....its not the bone of the joint its the scaffolding around it.....im not into man stoppers so i dont know but i cant imagine anyone going anywhere with a focussed 60/70lb dog attached to them.

[milliken 791]

6 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I dont think its even necessarily the weight of a dog,its like people a bloke of 20 stone at 6 ft 4 is going to carry the weight far better than a 20 stone bloke at 5 ft 8 and structurally thats all down to things like leverage and the insertion points of tendons and muscles etc the joints of short stocky limbs are under far more stress than longer limbs as they have far less range of motion,particularly when used athletically.

Low to the ground dogs like heavy set Staffords always suffer more patella slips for instance than rangier breeds for that exact reason.....its not the bone of the joint its the scaffolding around it.....im not into man stoppers so i dont know but i cant imagine anyone going anywhere with a focussed 60/70lb dog attached to them.

especially if its been taught where to place its bite and targets them when a hard biting dog hit you in round the arm pit with a mouth full of bicep tricep and deltoid and takes you down and drives you into the ground your in trouble no matter what size and weight you are

[bird 9,861]

1 hour ago, milliken said:

especially if its been taught where to place its bite and targets them when a hard biting dog hit you in round the arm pit with a mouth full of bicep tricep and deltoid and takes you down and drives you into the ground your in trouble no matter what size and weight you are

 

8 hours ago, gnasher16 said:

I dont think its even necessarily the weight of a dog,its like people a bloke of 20 stone at 6 ft 4 is going to carry the weight far better than a 20 stone bloke at 5 ft 8 and structurally thats all down to things like leverage and the insertion points of tendons and muscles etc the joints of short stocky limbs are under far more stress than longer limbs as they have far less range of motion,particularly when used athletically.

Low to the ground dogs like heavy set Staffords always suffer more patella slips for instance than rangier breeds for that exact reason.....its not the bone of the joint its the scaffolding around it.....im not into man stoppers so i dont know but i cant imagine anyone going anywhere with a focussed 60/70lb dog attached to them.

true gnash, on a foussed 60-70lb dog attached on you, get  a 55 lb  pit  that guards , you be in trouble  if it latched on  to you , luckily  most  bulldogs dont make good guards . my brother had ebt  about   50 odd lb, now this twat would pile in to you,  he had a go at a dustman , in the days when they had the old type bin with lids,  the dog got him in his jacket ,  he hit the dog few times in the head to get it off with the lid , but it never loosed his coat, left his coat jumped the gate. counsel / cops came round   this was in the early  70s, dog at be kept in doors , if out side on a chain , bloody good guards are ebts, he had another few years later that was good guard as well,  deff different  temp to pits and staffs .

[downsouth 7,151]

1 hour ago, milliken said:

especially if its been taught where to place its bite and targets them when a hard biting dog hit you in round the arm pit with a mouth full of bicep tricep and deltoid and takes you down and drives you into the ground your in trouble no matter what size and weight you are

But you'd still have a spare hand to twist its balls or stick your finger up it arse.Apparently that makes them let go.