Rock Dogs

[Rat face 1,655]

17 minutes ago, Lozzer said:

The must be places you'd look at and think you'd never put a terrier in there, just not diggable .I've saw them myself.  A stayer of any type could be gone forever and you could do fk all about it .dogs getting trapped , thatcould  happen to any.  Fair play to any who work it with success 

That's my whole point loz  people want a dog to stick/stay in a dig now. If a rock dog stays Well you have a dead dog in a stony tomb

It's common for a rock dog to move/show to try find a different way to get the Fox to shift, now if you was 6 ft down on a dig and the dog shown well it's a jacker int it. 

Different animals and should judged on different merits. 

[Daniel cain 44,991]

36 minutes ago, russell tuck said:

Dc I know the feeling it's a sickener but needs must mate iv had the go in on more than one occasion to pull hounds before now Atb rt

These days i stay well clear but know lads that wont because its all they got to go atgive me a 3/4 m dig in the chalk all day long lol, i personally couldnt sit there and listen to a dog in somewhere i couldnt touch with a shovel and bar. I like to go home whatever the outcome with em...... dead or alive

[Lozzer 237]

5 minutes ago, Rat face said:

That's my whole point loz  people want a dog to stick/stay in a dig now. If a rock dog stays Well you have a dead dog in a stony tomb

It's common for a rock dog to move/show to try find a different way to get the Fox to shift, now if you was 6 ft down on a dig and the dog shown well it's a jacker int it. 

Different animals and should judged on different merits. 

I get what you mean and a good dog in the rock place not only needs the agility but be a canny fkr on travelling about and if that means showing well that's his work 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

14 minutes ago, Rat face said:

That's my whole point loz  people want a dog to stick/stay in a dig now. If a rock dog stays Well you have a dead dog in a stony tomb

It's common for a rock dog to move/show to try find a different way to get the Fox to shift, now if you was 6 ft down on a dig and the dog shown well it's a jacker int it. 

Different animals and should judged on different merits. 

So would you breed off the type of terrier you just described RF? As surely they're the type that would be a cull in digging terriers.

[Rat face 1,655]

Exactly RH That's the point I'm making. People breed for a dog to stay. I only work the rock with my cousin. So maybe I'm not qualified to talk about it. 

If i did more rock work then I would defo I know lads get good numbers from working rock 

My point been there two different types of dogs and should be treated as so and both should not be crossed 

[Wales1234 5,489]

Iv worked a fair few rock piles mark a lot in them ! 

 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Ratface-

Do you think the rocks led to the decline of the Working Lakelands? As surely before long you're breeding from either half hearted yappers or bullies that are giving way when they meet one that gives as good as it gets. Either way both undesirable traits to have/ breed from.

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[Rat face 1,655]

Just my opinion but yeah. I would say the decline of the traditional type terrier was more to do with rise of the digging dog. I know when my dad was getting dogs from Frank buck pre change to the digging laws, he's never wanted any of his dogs to go working the big fellows. Now they wasn't wind and piss types and when they did bump into one ( pre change to the laws) the dogs would ruin themselves on them. Due to the fact they was keen. So i wouldn't agree they would give way but didn't have the  ability to hold due to size. 

Remember the old type of fell type terriers was half size if not less than most of today's digging dogs 

My views  on the matter is there Is better dogs more suited to the digging game. But would that dog be any good to a Lakeland huntsman after a pack of hounds have hard run a fox into a cragg

It's simply horses for courses.  one dog will suit one man's sport and not another 

but opinions are like arseholes everyone has one

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[Hands of Stone 154]

Call me a jesse, had too much heart ache with rock earths...... these days unless I NEED the fox dead i leave him in there! But that's because there are few rocky spots on my ground, further north (or west) the ground and the lads are tougher than me!

 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Thanks for such an honest post Ratface

[tank34 2,340]

52 minutes ago, Rabbit Hunter said:

So would you breed off the type of terrier you just described RF? As surely they're the type that would be a cull in digging terriers.

No not culls rock is all about the bolt some rock dogs can lose the fox come out drop back in gets job done same dog will stay till dug in earths so not culls 

[Rat face 1,655]

You can dig to my cousins dog and we have and still do but would I want to start sinking a hole at 15 ft to the dog.....  no because I know sometimes he will show. Now I'm not nocking the dog we have had a lot of tackle with the dog into the hundreds. but he's not a digging dog but he's a hell of a knock about dog and would kennel him tomorrow. It's all about been honest with what you have. 

[liamdelaney 2,586]

44 minutes ago, Rat face said:

Just my opinion but yeah. I would say the decline of the traditional type terrier was more to do with rise of the digging dog. I know when my dad was getting dogs from Frank buck pre change to the digging laws, he's never wanted any of his dogs to go working the big fellows. Now they wasn't wind and piss types and when they did bump into one ( pre change to the laws) the dogs would ruin themselves on them. Due to the fact they was keen. So i wouldn't agree they would give way but didn't have the  ability to hold due to size. 

Remember the old type of fell type terriers was half size if not less than most of today's digging dogs 

My views  on the matter is there Is better dogs more suited to the digging game. But would that dog be any good to a Lakeland huntsman after a pack of hounds have hard run a fox into a cragg

It's simply horses for courses.  one dog will suit one man's sport and not another 

but opinions are like arseholes everyone has one

Back in the day when we were digging badgers,if we had a dog that would only stay with fox he was considered useless ,and was giving to fox men.How times have changed.

[peterhunter86 8,627]

Just now, liamdelaney said:

Back in the day when we were digging badgers,if we had a dog that would only stay with fox he was considered useless ,and was giving to fox men.How times have changed.

Was it the same when digging badgers as fox,just one dog entered 

[liamdelaney 2,586]

1 minute ago, peterhunter86 said:

Was it the same when digging badgers as fox,just one dog entered 

There was wankers back then as well that entered multiple dogs just like now,but plenty that done it the right way.