Quick question?

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1 minute ago, Kerny92 said:

So the dogs end up losing stamina when bred tight? 

not at all but line bred dogs and pures often click and produce very good dogs, but we need to be carefull and not over do things, once in four or five generations is sufficient, other wise what we have may be spoiled.

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1 minute ago, two crows said:

not at all but line bred dogs and pures often click and produce very good dogs, but we need to be carefull and not over do things, once in four or five generations is sufficient, other wise what we have may be spoiled.

Would you say the dogs are better today than they have ever been? 

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5 minutes ago, Kerny92 said:

Would you say the dogs are better today than they have ever been? 

I think the quality is more consistent.

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16 hours ago, skycat said:

The thing that a lot of people don't realise is that a hare won't hit top speed until the dog is right behind it. It might look as though it's going flat out, but watch it go down a gear or two when the dog reaches it and you see it was only cruising. That's how experienced dogs can be given massive slips and still get to the hare with plenty of energy left to actually run the hare hard and catch it. 

And then you've got dogs, without saluki blood, with so much natural speed, that they're on a hare in seconds, and not from kickups, and the hare, even after it goes up another gear, just can't shake the dog off, and gets caught.

When I used to go regularly with my best dog, slips of between 30 - 50 yards would've been the norm, and he caught loads.  Seen plenty of coursing dogs, and dozens and dozens of coursing vids where the dog is slipped as soon as the hare gets up, and the dog still gets dragged around for 3, 4 or whatever minutes

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1 hour ago, two crows said:

no a pure is generally  slower but can stay for ever, the line bred dogs although they have mainly saluki blood perform very different to pures because of the lurcher ancestry, and to complicate things further fi sal grey' are different again, lol.

What is your opinion on F1 Saluki/greyhounds two crows?

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8 minutes ago, darbo said:

What is your opinion on F1 Saluki/greyhounds two crows?

Was just about to ask the same question lol

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53 minutes ago, darbo said:

What is your opinion on F1 Saluki/greyhounds two crows?

I like em I have bred and run a few all decent, they mabe lack a bit of wind compared to line bred don't know why, but they .will tackle anything,  and can make decent all rounder's.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, two crows said:

I like em I have bred and run a few all decent, they mabe lack a bit of wind compared to line bred don't know why, but they .will tackle anything,  and can make decent all rounder's.

 

 

ive seen a few my good friend had one in the 80s. Never been to the fens but local on big open fields they did ok. Also seen a few put a shift in on the lamp.

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1 hour ago, shaaark said:

And then you've got dogs, without saluki blood, with so much natural speed, that they're on a hare in seconds, and not from kickups, and the hare, even after it goes up another gear, just can't shake the dog off, and gets caught.

When I used to go regularly with my best dog, slips of between 30 - 50 yards would've been the norm, and he caught loads.  Seen plenty of coursing dogs, and dozens and dozens of coursing vids where the dog is slipped as soon as the hare gets up, and the dog still gets dragged around for 3, 4 or whatever minutes

I knew some one would come out with that I answered that in an earlier post but if that was all that was required we all would have a grew lurchers would be redundant lol

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Theres coursing dogs then theres saluki lurchers. They aint necessary same thing. 

Not every man who likes to run a few hares needs to go to the fen to do it either.

Edited August 2, 2018 by C.green

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55 minutes ago, two crows said:

I knew some one would come out with that I answered that in an earlier post but if that was all that was required we all would have a grew lurchers would be redundant lol

My dog was a lurcher, not a grew. And horror of horrors, he was sired by hancocks taffy! Lol. But not from hancocks kennels. His dam was a very greyhoundy bitsa. But I jest not, that old dog had some serious speed. Definetely the fastest dog I've ever owned, and I've owned a couple of whippet/greys. To be honest, he looked too bulky to be really fast, but he shocked more than a few people, one guy in particular that used to be on this site that bred whippets.

His take off speed was blistering, and up to about 400 yards, then he'd visibly wilt quite dramatically. No good if you wanted to bag up on lamped rabbits, he just wasn't interested in em. Me neither, so he suited me fine at the time

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5 hours ago, dogmandont said:

So a statement earlier that it’s only Salukis that can catch 3s in winter anywhere was a bit of the mark.. I understand that the big open ground takes a different animal but to say it can’t be done on smaller land with a dog without saluki in it is wrong. 

A hare dog of any breeding can fulfil their potential only by being taken out and put behind hares, saluki blood adds more than stamina, it also adds durability, strong feet etc , a little bit can go a long way so is a very good choice even for small land running

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18 hours ago, dogmandont said:

So a statement earlier that it’s only Salukis that can catch 3s in winter anywhere was a bit of the mark.. I understand that the big open ground takes a different animal but to say it can’t be done on smaller land with a dog without saluki in it is wrong. 

I think it is wrong to say it cant be done by a dog without saluki blood any where, but you must realize those dogs are rare, that's why a specialist was bred and refined over the last 50 years.

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4 hours ago, two crows said:

I think it is wrong to say it cant be done by a dog without saluki blood any where, but you must realize those dogs are rare, that's why a specialist was bred and refined over the last 50 years.

Agree with that t c, my old dog was a one off for me. Definitely my fastest dog, but you wouldn't believe it just going by his shape and size. And probably caught me more hares than my next 3 dogs after him combined

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1 hour ago, shaaark said:

Agree with that t c, my old dog was a one off for me. Definitely my fastest dog, but you wouldn't believe it just going by his shape and size. And probably caught me more hares than my next 3 dogs after him combined

when I was a boy most of the lurchers in my area were deerhound based, and decent dogs in reality, but I was a smug little b*****d cos I got a saluki lurcher, and at that time 1969 there were very few, and they were out standing for brown hares, these little dogs were clever, they could take control of a course and actually slow a hare down, and manipulate it and more or less take it out at will, unless you take in a course and understand what's happening  its easy to think the dog is struggling, its not, that's why those that understood, took it to there hearts and now we have what we have, this is not the work of one man but many over nearly five decades.