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To get back on topic my choice everytime would be an 'old size'; Rhodesian Ridgeback (or lion dog). mine have been exceptional family dogs and v protective of the children.

The Americans, as with everything else, try to breed a bigger dog, I'd prefer an 'original dog '.

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As close to perfection as I've ever come

I better not turn up for the fishing weekend and theres only one person with 20 personalitys! 

i ll always have a soft spot for horrid , rangy , fly old farm collies.  Probsbly the greatest canine connection we have 

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15 hours ago, KES2 said:

To get back on topic my choice everytime would be an 'old size'; Rhodesian Ridgeback (or lion dog). mine have been exceptional family dogs and v protective of the children.

The Americans, as with everything else, try to breed a bigger dog, I'd prefer an 'original dog '.

just curious  what size were the old type mate , i know todays  dogs   males can hit  28 in  and 90-100 lb  bitches bit smaller  i always thought me self they were bit  to big , they were bred  to track and  run all day long if need be , they only had to bay the big cats they found , just hold there ground. if they wanted a dog  or dogs to go in on the quarry , they use a Boerbol  type dog   they are massive things  28in    140-  180 lb  , ridgeback  a hound not a holding dog   , and should really be bred as such in my mind   Walshie = Dave  prob know more better than me  , he had few ridgebacks  and got one now .

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16 hours ago, KES2 said:

To get back on topic my choice everytime would be an 'old size'; Rhodesian Ridgeback (or lion dog). mine have been exceptional family dogs and v protective of the children.

The Americans, as with everything else, try to breed a bigger dog, I'd prefer an 'original dog '.

Mine too. :thumbs:

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7 hours ago, Daniel cain said:

When the little ones have fledged then I'd buy another one of these.... Screenshot_20180731-120553.thumb.png.c2066b8a5635a5b5d8bd6e80bdc11bbd.png

I had a bitch, the most useless docile greedy basstard of a dog I've owned the only thing it was good for was turning food into shite,  but crossed with a nice staff they're far nicer looking dogs and a bit more useful 

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Just now, Lenmcharristar said:

I had a bitch, the most useless docile greedy basstard of a dog I've owned the only thing it was good for was turning food into shite,  but crossed with a nice staff they're far nicer looking dogs and a bit more useful 

My mate had that cross, it was a dangerous dog would get stuck into other dogs and bite people if it got a chance

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13 minutes ago, peterhunter86 said:

My mate had that cross, it was a dangerous dog would get stuck into other dogs and bite people if it got a chance

A pal of mine who has been into the bulldogs since they first came over said that they did a few litters of pitxstaff and pitxEBT when the pits were new in the UK and a lot rarer and they said that pretty much all the EBT crosses ended up man eaters.Another pal that i work the bigger dogs with now and has imo the best bandog in the UK and a few other very good bandogs also has an EBTx AB and the f***ing thing is off its head.It will do anyone who gets within grabbing distance and has been that way since i first saw it at 14weeks old.

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1 hour ago, downsouth said:

A pal of mine who has been into the bulldogs since they first came over said that they did a few litters of pitxstaff and pitxEBT when the pits were new in the UK and a lot rarer and they said that pretty much all the EBT crosses ended up man eaters.Another pal that i work the bigger dogs with now and has imo the best bandog in the UK and a few other very good bandogs also has an EBTx AB and the f***ing thing is off its head.It will do anyone who gets within grabbing distance and has been that way since i first saw it at 14weeks old.

I don't think EBTs are stable in themselves. a friend of ours (god bless his soul) had one that could only be let out by him in his yard, one day it would accept anyone and the next it would be trying to eat through the steel fence to get to whoever was behind it.

My mum also had a bitch, Dopey mutt that was soft as anything but she had a litter if only 2 pups and one of them from opening its eyes would attack anyone and everyone. I don't mean simply over zealous play but try and kill all things. A guy we know took it thinking he could straighten it and the last I saw it was trying to eat through a fence as people walked past 

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6 hours ago, bird said:

just curious  what size were the old type mate , i know todays  dogs   males can hit  28 in  and 90-100 lb  bitches bit smaller  i always thought me self they were bit  to big , they were bred  to track and  run all day long if need be , they only had to bay the big cats they found , just hold there ground. if they wanted a dog  or dogs to go in on the quarry , they use a Boerbol  type dog   they are massive things  28in    140-  180 lb  , ridgeback  a hound not a holding dog   , and should really be bred as such in my mind   Walshie = Dave  prob know more better than me  , he had few ridgebacks  and got one now .

My last dog was 29 inches at the shoulder and weighed 50 kgs. He wasn't that big but his dad was. His dad I would guess at 32" and maybe 60 kgs. His dad was a superb dog and I would always choose 30+ inches and 50 + kg. His dad used to sit on a mound in a field as though on a throne and was really impressive..

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6 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

I don't think EBTs are stable in themselves. a friend of ours (god bless his soul) had one that could only be let out by him in his yard, one day it would accept anyone and the next it would be trying to eat through the steel fence to get to whoever was behind it.

My mum also had a bitch, Dopey mutt that was soft as anything but she had a litter if only 2 pups and one of them from opening its eyes would attack anyone and everyone. I don't mean simply over zealous play but try and kill all things. A guy we know took it thinking he could straighten it and the last I saw it was trying to eat through a fence as people walked past 

true mate , my brother had 2 , one  white , and  red/white  both males with there nuts. the 1st one was ok but i never felt to  happy when it was by me , the 2nd  was fookin nut case  , pinned his daughter  and wife in the kitchen , my brother  went to  boot it away and it flew at him, and got him in his jacket , he was dead lucky that day , dog was put down next day . he had staffs after no prob  and english bulldog brindle bitch  quite healthy for the breed bit of  height to it , lived  till 12 good age that for that breed.  Our staffs as kids in the 60s were great with us, more like pits tall racy types . my pit bitch was great with people and ok with dogs if they were ok with her, i always preferred  a apbt to a staff  in temp and looks  but both make good dogs in the right hands .

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