Hogan DecimEater Differences

[andykllhr 91]

Morning all, just bought a Hogan DecimEater for my Regal and was doing some research on them, they come in the air rifle configuration and rimfire configuration, I am assuming it's in the air rifle configuration. Is there any difference? I know some are proofed for rimfire, but apart from that is there any difference?

[andyf 144]

OK

What your really asking is a moderator I bought non FAC for an airgun & can I use it on a 22 rimfire for which I don't have an FAC condition,

but the thread is compatible.

Answer is YES as long as it's made of metal, not plastic, the pressures generated by a rimfire are miniscule compared to a centrefire.

The SAK is a good example, they can be bought in 'airgun' mode, but (of course) they are exactly the same as the 'on ticket' FAC type.

Such is the totally ridiculous 'crap' of our Firearms licencing rules, moderators should be what they are an expensive bit of pipe with a threaded

bush at one end.

However a SAK on a 22.250 might turn inside out first shot! Don't try that at home folks!!

AndyF 

 

[Deker 3,478]

I thought they were different internal construction, the Air Rifle version certainly has some additional acoustic felt internally, this is seldom the case with a rimfire etc., mod!

Perhaps I'm wrong, does anyone know for sure?

[andykllhr 91]

12 hours ago, andyf said:

OK

What your really asking is a moderator I bought non FAC for an airgun & can I use it on a 22 rimfire for which I don't have an FAC condition,

but the thread is compatible.

Answer is YES as long as it's made of metal, not plastic, the pressures generated by a rimfire are miniscule compared to a centrefire.

The SAK is a good example, they can be bought in 'airgun' mode, but (of course) they are exactly the same as the 'on ticket' FAC type.

Such is the totally ridiculous 'crap' of our Firearms licencing rules, moderators should be what they are an expensive bit of pipe with a threaded

bush at one end.

However a SAK on a 22.250 might turn inside out first shot! Don't try that at home folks!!

AndyF 

 

lol, not quite, I have the SAK as a slot on my FAC, but it is down as a "moderator" with no brand or serial number, I did buy the decimeater for my Regal but it got me wondering if it would work on my .22LR and if it did then I could just hand my SAK into my gun shop and use the decimeater primarily. But if it's not fit for purpose then it would live on the Regal anyway, I was just thinking out loud whether I would need the proper "proofed" version and if there's any difference.

Thanks Guys

[Meece 1,957]

13 minutes ago, andykllhr said:

it got me wondering if it would work on my .22LR and if it did then I could just hand my SAK into my gun shop and use the decimeater primarily. But if it's not fit for purpose then it would live on the Regal anyway, I was just thinking out loud whether I would need the proper "proofed" version and if there's any difference.

If you bought another mod, why would you hand the other in to a gun shop? If you went and bought some new clothes would you empty out all of the clothes that you have into the bin ?

If the threads are the same just use it. If it has some  extra fibre baffles either remove them or if you can't they will either  stay put or will disintegrate and get blown out as bits. If the thing has enough structure to be proved, a stamp Mark ain't go in to make  it stronger.

[andykllhr 91]

8 minutes ago, Meece said:

If you bought another mod, why would you hand the other in to a gun shop? If you went and bought some new clothes would you empty out all of the clothes that you have into the bin ?

If the threads are the same just use it. If it has some  extra fibre baffles either remove them or if you can't they will either  stay put or will disintegrate and get blown out as bits. If the thing has enough structure to be proved, a stamp Mark ain't go in to make  it stronger.

If the Deicmeater is better on the .22LR then it's pointless keeping another mod, there's not much else I could use the SAK on, I have four slots for mods and only one is filled so I suppose I could. I'll play it by ear (literally) when I give the decimeater a run out. I was more concerned whether the fibre would catch fire with live fire?

[Deker 3,478]

2 hours ago, andykllhr said:

If the Deicmeater is better on the .22LR then it's pointless keeping another mod, there's not much else I could use the SAK on, I have four slots for mods and only one is filled so I suppose I could. I'll play it by ear (literally) when I give the decimeater a run out. I was more concerned whether the fibre would catch fire with live fire?

You are more than welcome to hand/send the SAK to me if it is surplus to requirements!

Cheers

[Meece 1,957]

5 hours ago, Deker said:

You are more than welcome to hand/send the SAK to me if it is surplus to requirements!

Cheers

You get to the back of the Queu0e  behind me. And I don't  even need it,  but why is Andy so keen on getting rid ? Even if I had half a dozen kicking around that I  didn't use I wouldn't wander into my local shop and just Chuck it over the counter because the week after he gives it in you may as well be sure that he will loose the mod out in a field somewhere or drive a truck over it. But it does happen that people just get rid of stuff. One of the son in laws went into the gunship to get some cartridges about a month ago and in walks a bloke who has got quite a nice Urgartechea sbs sidelock ejector with him that he just wants rid of. The shop didnt want to buy it so matey just signed it off to son in law for nothing !!! Wouldn't take anything  i it. It's a really nice well made gun that just needs the woodwork cleaning up and all of the old varnish removed and oiled up. When this is done it will be really nice and he shoots well with ìt. 

[andykllhr 91]

14 hours ago, Meece said:

You get to the back of the Queu0e  behind me. And I don't  even need it,  but why is Andy so keen on getting rid ? Even if I had half a dozen kicking around that I  didn't use I wouldn't wander into my local shop and just Chuck it over the counter because the week after he gives it in you may as well be sure that he will loose the mod out in a field somewhere or drive a truck over it. But it does happen that people just get rid of stuff. One of the son in laws went into the gunship to get some cartridges about a month ago and in walks a bloke who has got quite a nice Urgartechea sbs sidelock ejector with him that he just wants rid of. The shop didnt want to buy it so matey just signed it off to son in law for nothing !!! Wouldn't take anything  i it. It's a really nice well made gun that just needs the woodwork cleaning up and all of the old varnish removed and oiled up. When this is done it will be really nice and he shoots well with ìt. 

I only have one slot filled for a moderator, and I would rather keep those mod slots for mods I would actually use, that's all. I would prefer a calibre specific mod for my .17 HMR and my other two slots are .20 & .22 Air, so the SAK wouldn't be great on either of those, I will be adding a .223 and eventually a .308 or .243 at a later date, and again, the SAK wouldn't be any use.

 

[Meece 1,957]

Silencers arent calibre specific. Ok You couldn't use à 22lr on a 308 but You could  use a silencer that would cover several calibres.  I have a pes 12 that goes on my 223 and my 270. As long as the thread is the same, the construction is strong enough and there is enough volume to quieten the blast . The ideal situation would be if you could try out different silencers of other people's.  Another issue that doesn't seem to get  mentioned  is that some guns point of aim and accuracy  is moved by the weight of the silencer affecting the  barrrel harmonics. If it doesn't pan out as you hope all you got to do is request another slot or do a one for one and sell it on to clear the slot. Or go without using a silencer. Unless noise is a serious, serious issue. After all you can only quieten down a centre fire muzzle blast you cant silence a supersonic  bullet.

[Deker 3,478]

4 minutes ago, Meece said:

Silencers arent calibre specific. Ok You couldn't use à 22lr on a 308 but You could  use a silencer that would cover several calibres.  I have a pes 12 that goes on my 223 and my 270. As long as the thread is the same, the construction is strong enough and there is enough volume to quieten the blast . The ideal situation would be if you could try out different silencers of other people's.  Another issue that doesn't seem to get  mentioned  is that some guns point of aim and accuracy  is moved by the weight of the silencer affecting the  barrrel harmonics. If it doesn't pan out as you hope all you got to do is request another slot or do a one for one and sell it on to clear the slot. Or go without using a silencer. Unless noise is a serious, serious issue. After all you can only quieten down a centre fire muzzle blast you cant silence a supersonic  bullet.

They are Sound Moderators!

Ok, in a sense they are not caliber specific, in so much as you could use your .308 on a .22lr, but not reverse, so then they are caliber specific.

You will also find the best moderation tends to come from one with the most caliber specific hole (ok, lets not get into this debate over which MAKE may be better).

So there is probably a bigger argument to say they are caliber specific than not!

[andykllhr 91]

29 minutes ago, Meece said:

Silencers arent calibre specific. Ok You couldn't use à 22lr on a 308 but You could  use a silencer that would cover several calibres.  I have a pes 12 that goes on my 223 and my 270. As long as the thread is the same, the construction is strong enough and there is enough volume to quieten the blast . The ideal situation would be if you could try out different silencers of other people's.  Another issue that doesn't seem to get  mentioned  is that some guns point of aim and accuracy  is moved by the weight of the silencer affecting the  barrrel harmonics. If it doesn't pan out as you hope all you got to do is request another slot or do a one for one and sell it on to clear the slot. Or go without using a silencer. Unless noise is a serious, serious issue. After all you can only quieten down a centre fire muzzle blast you cant silence a supersonic  bullet.

https://www.gunmart.net/shooting-accessories/equipment/moderators/wildcat-whisper-.17-moderator1

[Meece 1,957]

That looks nicely made. 

[Deker 3,478]

1 hour ago, Meece said:

That looks nicely made. 

It may well look nicely made but it isn't very good!

The SM11 gets a much better rating for £40 less and even the SAK is better at around £90 LESS!

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/17hmr-calibre-sound-moderators-review

I know 2 separate people personally who both made the mistake of buying the Whisper, BOTH are disappointed!

Edited July 31, 2018 by Deker

[Meece 1,957]

22 minutes ago, Deker said:

It may well look nicely made but it isn't very good!

The SM11 gets a much better rating for £40 less and even the SAK is better at around £90 LESS!

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/reviews/shotgun/17hmr-calibre-sound-moderators-review

I know 2 separate people personally who both made the mistake of buying the Whisper, BOTH are disappointed!

That's a shame. And the mag write up was so good. You don't mean to say that items reviewed by magazines are hyped up. Gee, and most of the time I  don't even bother to put the silencer on. Still the Charlie on the receiving end doesn't hear the bullet that I  send.  I tend to use a silencer on my 22lr even though the noise I'mpact of the bullet on the rabbit is greater than any gun  noise.