scarteen terrriers

[grompz 705]

This letter was first published by DB plummer in 1982 issue of shooting times, apparently col hancock had mentioned the influence of the irish terrier on the fell/ Lakeland terrier, some years ago the scarteen foxhounds bred a smooth or slope coated fell terrier of the type developed by bray and buck. these terrriers were aptly named by the cumbrians who imported them, would any of you older terriermen, be able to cast any light on the origin of these terriers,probably now a non existent breed.

[tinytiger 850]

Id doubt they ever existed -maybe a black and tan Jack Russel type. (I got my first ever terrier from a man that lived very close to scarteen)-she did throw a pup once that looked like dogs Plummer  described  (but I think the b &t colour came from yorkie blood )

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

I remember reading the odd bit about the 'Scarteen' terrier in Plummer's Fell Terrier, which must be getting on for 40 years old? They seemed like lightly built Lakelands from the pics in there that I remember.

[forest of dean redneck 11,788]

  On 20/07/2018 at 19:11, Rabbit Hunter said:

I remember reading the odd bit about the 'Scarteen' terrier in Plummer's Fell Terrier, which must be getting on for 40 years old? They seemed like lightly built Lakelands from the pics in there that I remember.

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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=6iXfzklR6XQC&pg=PA137&lpg=PA137&dq=scarteen+terrier&source=bl&ots=ABm1k_rRtC&sig=6qsSXB9CO6QRZq6xwiAvt9NoDDc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjo1NKLsq7cAhVJI8AKHQcKBfgQ6AEwC3oECAUQAQ#v=onepage&q=scarteen terrier&f=false

[Bosun11 537]

Never bought much into the tale when i read about em 40 years ago and i've heard feck all since.

An the dog in that picture looks like a young scrawney Lakie.

[forest of dean redneck 11,788]

  On 20/07/2018 at 20:15, Bosun11 said:

Never bought much into the tale when i read about em 40 years ago and i've heard feck all since.

An the dog in that picture looks like a young scrawney Lakie.

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Looks like a young border x Lakeland to me?

[grompz 705]

Thankyou  very much for putting the link up  with pictures of the scarteen terriers or so called, I would have liked to have seen the letter that col hancock wrote, as I would rate his words  more than that off plummer, never read the fell terrier, but read most of plummmers books,when I first started out in terriers and lurchers, along time ago, nobody else were writing books on dogs but plummmer, so lots of people believed what he wrote, but that's another story.

[forest of dean redneck 11,788]

  On 21/07/2018 at 07:58, grompz said:

Thankyou  very much for putting the link up  with pictures of the scarteen terriers or so called, I would have liked to have seen the letter that col hancock wrote, as I would rate his words  more than that off plummer, never read the fell terrier, but read most of plummmers books,when I first started out in terriers and lurchers, along time ago, nobody else were writing books on dogs but plummmer, so lots of people believed what he wrote, but that's another story.

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Same here when I first got into hunting dogs I was still at school ,early 90s I had sheardowns and Walsh’s books , bought a few of the plummer books from secondhand book shops including the one on lurcher breeding that was a hard read

[downsouth 7,698]

Probably just another bullshit theory invented in plummers head to help fill a page.

[marshman 7,758]

I agree probably someone giving a moody name to a Mongrol type terrier just to big it up 

[jiggy 3,209]

I spoke to a man that genuinely  worked (3 time winners) pit bulls back in the 1980,s and he told me they were using yorkie x Russell's to find a draw for big dogs. When I was finished laughing i actually thought that the blood was in the yorkie, because it definitely wasn't in them russells

[tinytiger 850]

  On 21/07/2018 at 13:28, jiggy said:

I spoke to a man that genuinely  worked (3 time winners) pit bulls back in the 1980,s and he told me they were using yorkie x Russell's to find a draw for big dogs. When I was finished laughing i actually thought that the blood was in the yorkie, because it definitely wasn't in them russells

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Was it in Ireland or England jiggy?ones I had were good  enough on fox (I think  there was staff in the ones I had as well).There was supposedly small black n tan terriers around county limerick  in 50s/60s but id say they were some kind of yorkie/Fox terrier cross also.

[snizle06 202]

How long are the yorkies knocking around over here?

[jiggy 3,209]

  On 21/07/2018 at 15:15, tinytiger said:

Was it in Ireland or England jiggy?ones I had were good  enough on fox (I think  there was staff in the ones I had as well).There was supposedly small black n tan terriers around county limerick  in 50s/60s but id say they were some kind of yorkie/Fox terrier cross also.

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Ireland but I took it with a pinch of salt. I'd imagine that the standard wasn't great or they would still be around 

[tinytiger 850]

  On 22/07/2018 at 04:26, jiggy said:

Ireland but I took it with a pinch of salt. I'd imagine that the standard wasn't great or they would still be around 

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Same as that-I was happy out with them at the time  (but id only have been around 10 when I got her).I've nothing off that breeding now-got years of entertainment out of them though.