Lurcher stud dogs

[two crows 3,342]

personally if your bitch is lacking in any aspect of her work I would not breed from it, if you do its likely sentimentality driven, and wont be corrected by the dog, no mater how good he is.  i would not use a stud with faults over a great bitch, so why go the other way.

[blackmaggie 3,376]

I agree two crows but how many bitches have you seen bred from because of there lineage produce some decent stuff but like wise I have seen some bitches  work to a high standard yet produced nothing near themselves i suppose it's hit and miss or for those with a eye for a line to continue

[shaaark 10,747]

1 hour ago, billhardy said:

I am not saying that what I am saying his quite abit different some change through age and change over night I believe this working animals at times can only be has good has there last outing some do dramatically either through maturity etc ain't the animal at five has they were at two .i prefer a jule

 that steadily begets better some two yr olds don't improve they hit there level then don't improve any more yas can never know that till they have a few seasons behind them and that s a fact why lots a men breed from well  seasoned jukels etc his one a the reasons I seen animals kill hundreds first winter second  winter no improvement the best just generally get better and better,with age there will be thousands that don't but the odd  class animal that do,I don't expect you or some not to understand but there's a few on here knows what I driving at. Tab bill

Well, that makes slightly more sense than your other post, but just slightly. And I don't expect you to understand properly what I said either, but there's a few on here that will

[billhardy 2,342]

I will stand by what I believe in time and only graft over a several seasons sorts the wheat from the chaff seen lots flying then three yrs gone done .finished.two seasons his the middle of the road in Turks of a jukel in fact the best will just be starting to tick .by there third season.yas won't find a good lot using young jukels fa studs if one his trying convince ones self it's fine that's okay ,I believe we heard this before over a certain cur on here breeding has a youngster,r  lets here about th stock from them three fours down the line been nothing mentioned off them, that was there take  on it done a lot in short space of time .atb bill

[billhardy 2,342]

Some folk are justtrying to convince there sells its okay we breed from young stock has a be alright to justify there own actions atb bill

[two crows 3,342]

your right there bill great dogs usually start well and get better year on year, and if that's a male he worth his weight in gold, but you need both parties to be the same, in an ideal world, I have a spaniel here with nine seasons of 2/3 days a week under his belt, and I want him back in my line but the bitch I want to use him on is only a year old, so I know I will miss that boat unless another quality bitch comes forward, just to add this dog works like a dog half his age he don't just turn up and he will go again this season.

Edited July 15, 2018 by two crows

[blackmaggie 3,376]

Can't you take straws tc then at least your not tied to a time limit and you will have chance to put  your good dog back in to that line more than once and it's gives you a chance to work your youngster for a few seasons 

Edited July 15, 2018 by blackmaggie

[two crows 3,342]

I have thought about it but done nothing and know nothing perhaps someone can explain about it

[blackmaggie 3,376]

I think they charge you a one of fee for taking it and a small fee each year to keep it frozen i think prices vary a bit so it may a idea to shop about tc 

[dogmandont 9,820]

11 hours ago, billhardy said:

I am not saying that what I am saying his quite abit different some change through age and change over night I believe this working animals at times can only be has good has there last outing some do dramatically either through maturity etc ain't the animal at five has they were at two .i prefer a jule

 that steadily begets better some two yr olds don't improve they hit there level then don't improve any more yas can never know that till they have a few seasons behind them and that s a fact why lots a men breed from well  seasoned jukels etc his one a the reasons I seen animals kill hundreds first winter second  winter no improvement the best just generally get better and better,with age there will be thousands that don't but the odd  class animal that do,I don't expect you or some not to understand but there's a few on here knows what I driving at. Tab bill

I agree bill that you don’t fully know a dog after just a couple of seasons  But my 2 went on to have long careers with me, the dog never lost his reckless style of running which some would class a fault where the bitch became a great thinking bitch and could read a situation bitter than the dog ever could he preferred brut force. I can’t say them 2 dogs ever got better just different but their desire for work never slipped.

[Stud dog 632]

If you breed an get a world beater then go back to the two that had the dog don't breed from it that way you stand a better chance of getting another an even then there is no guarantee you will get another 

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[shaaark 10,747]

46 minutes ago, Stud dog said:

If you breed an get a world beater then go back to the two that had the dog don't breed from it that way you stand a better chance of getting another an even then there is no guarantee you will get another 

Clear as mud that mate

[two crows 3,342]

2 hours ago, Stud dog said:

If you breed an get a world beater then go back to the two that had the dog don't breed from it that way you stand a better chance of getting another an even then there is no guarantee you will get another 

I used to think that but its standing still, and short term, and repeat mateing's don't all ways come off.

[billhardy 2,342]

On 15 July 2018 at 21:58, two crows said:

I used to think that but its standing still, and short term, and repeat mateing's don't all ways come off.

Good post two crows words of experience ate bill

[billhardy 2,342]

On 15 July 2018 at 11:18, dogmandont said:

I agree bill that you don’t fully know a dog after just a couple of seasons  But my 2 went on to have long careers with me, the dog never lost his reckless style of running which some would class a fault where the bitch became a great thinking bitch and could read a situation bitter than the dog ever could he preferred brut force. I can’t say them 2 dogs ever got better just different but their desire for work never slipped.

Hallelujah  of course they got better they did int just get born with experience ,they were born with the drive etc ability you gleaned those jukels with work your bitch started to utilise her working brain males being males usually do there thing in a different manner than most bitches,but experience on live game edible or teeth experience like anything brings the traits to the fore one way or the other. Sounds like yas had a good pair same but different.atb bill