Lurcher stud dogs

[poxon 5,731]

47 minutes ago, Daniel cain said:

Learnt that lesson myself

What happened to the dog dan?

[Black neck 15,942]

44 minutes ago, shaaark said:

If you put in enough work, of whatever type, to a dog, you should know long before it's 5 or six years of age, if it's worth breeding from. Not trying to be clever, but alot of people are waiting far too long to use potentially great dogs at stud because 'everyone else' says 'they need at least 4 or 5 years graft' before they'd consider using them. ....... hogwash!

A wise head on young shoulders 

[Daniel cain 45,305]

6 minutes ago, poxon said:

What happened to the dog dan?

Lost 9 pups, emergency c section, massive  bill at vets and to top it off the c**ts spayed her without my consentregretted waiting until a terrier bitch was 6 yr old, lining her, losing the stud dog i bred that went over her, grafted the pups 3 seasons, made some wrong decisions, got rid.... lined the old bitch again last chance only for her to have the 1 pup and kill itif i ever breed another litter of dogs for myself again, then id not wait so long to see what the sire and dam could do. They get too old and broken

[Stud dog 632]

Some very good dogs don't make 2/3 good hard seasons with injury an hazards in the fields seen some very good uns ended well before there times an never had the chance to breed off 

[peterhunter86 8,627]

For anyone looking for a stud dogfox has the std all he needs is u.

[dogmandont 9,820]

Best litter I ever bred was out of a dog and bitch with only 2 seasons each behind them, a 3/8 Wheaton dog over a 1/2 cross Wheaton bitch, I owned both and the breeding was done purely because friends wanted pups and they all made the grade as real decent fox dogs. The 2 seasons that pair of dogs worked prior to the mating was the hardest graft I’ve ever give any dogs I’ve ever owned and my mates new it which is the reason they asked for pups.

[two crows 3,342]

I once bred a litter from two ten year olds got eight pups and all made the grade and better, but if your an experienced dog man you know when a dogs good enough, I think there are more bad bitches bred from to be fair, age and experience more important in the stock man, than the stock sometimes.

[Pirate 9000 676]

You can't generalise on the age of a dog for breeding has some 2year olds will have seen more graft than say another man's 5 year old,what I want to see in a stud dog is bottom less pray drive good catch rate and a dog that keeps good condition when run week in week out through the season.

[shaaark 10,749]

4 hours ago, Pirate 9000 said:

You can't generalise on the age of a dog for breeding has some 2year olds will have seen more graft than say another man's 5 year old,what I want to see in a stud dog is bottom less pray drive good catch rate and a dog that keeps good condition when run week in week out through the season.

That's partly what I was getting at. If you put in enough work to any dog or bitch, you'll know if they're worth breeding off long before they reach 5 or 6 years of age. Like you say, at 2-3 years of age, some dogs will have been worked harder and more frequently, than some 4 or 5 year old dogs. And if they've remained sound, and have shown the abilities etc you desire, then you'll know what you have on your hands

[billhardy 2,342]

Some run one jukel and need the animal fa work no time fa reproducing .the bottomless prey can be at different levels and be all about what they running teeth or edible running the gear fa two seasons no matter how hard does not reproduce five seasons .thing being some turn stales certain ages and show undesirable traits it's not just about heaps of gear some just change overnight seen it.atb bill

[morton 5,368]

On 13/07/2018 at 11:21, poxon said:

At what age do you lot think in your opinion is a correct age for a dog to be offered as a stud dog to Woking bitches my opinion is the dog as to be no younger than 6yrs old with a good track record of good form of the dogs trade. I see a lot of dogs younger from 2-4yrs old some as young as a year old I’m struggling to see the point in breeding anything from these dogs nothing more than producing a litter. Give us your opinions on how you do things?

My lad lost a very good dog before he was 3,i lost his niece before she was 16 months of age,id have used his nephew at stud as soon as he could cover a bitch.Ive yet to find a replacement for the bitch,the nephew is over 3 years of age and i cannot source anything, the same wayish bred ,worth is tatty water.He will be put over a Wheaton x next year and she,s a young bitch.Use them before you lose the breeding at times.

[C.green 3,229]

21 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Some run one jukel and need the animal fa work no time fa reproducing .the bottomless prey can be at different levels and be all about what they running teeth or edible running the gear fa two seasons no matter how hard does not reproduce five seasons .thing being some turn stales certain ages and show undesirable traits it's not just about heaps of gear some just change overnight seen it.atb bill

Aye thats why i think it can be worth waiting sometimes unless you knwo the blood and dogs well. You get some dogs that have had alot of work get to about 4-5 and start hesitating or running half hearted on stuff near hedges and cover or wanting to run thing for abit and missing opportunities for a strike. Deffo worth giving them abit of time to see how they really pan out unless you know the dogs well

[shaaark 10,749]

35 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Some run one jukel and need the animal fa work no time fa reproducing .the bottomless prey can be at different levels and be all about what they running teeth or edible running the gear fa two seasons no matter how hard does not reproduce five seasons .thing being some turn stales certain ages and show undesirable traits it's not just about heaps of gear some just change overnight seen it.atb bill

Disagree with you bill. What you're saying here doesn't make sense. I know full well that there are plenty of young dogs with only 2 seasons work behind them, and have been worked far more regularly than some 5 or 6 year old dogs, and have taken plenty of various game over various types of terrain, and have remained sound and very keen. What you're saying is because the dog is relatively young, it's not as desirable a stud as an older dog? Quitting on game or whatever can happen at 3 years or 7 - 8 years

[billhardy 2,342]

On 14 July 2018 at 20:45, shaaark said:

Disagree with you bill. What you're saying here doesn't make sense. I know full well that there are plenty of young dogs with only 2 seasons work behind them, and have been worked far more regularly than some 5 or 6 year old dogs, and have taken plenty of various game over various types of terrain, and have remained sound and very keen. What you're saying is because the dog is relatively young, it's not as desirable a stud as an older dog? Quitting on game or whatever can happen at 3 years or 7 - 8 years

I am not saying that what I am saying his quite abit different some change through age and change over night I believe this working animals at times can only be has good has there last outing some do dramatically either through maturity etc ain't the animal at five has they were at two .i prefer a jule

 that steadily begets better some two yr olds don't improve they hit there level then don't improve any more yas can never know that till they have a few seasons behind them and that s a fact why lots a men breed from well  seasoned jukels etc his one a the reasons I seen animals kill hundreds first winter second  winter no improvement the best just generally get better and better,with age there will be thousands that don't but the odd  class animal that do,I don't expect you or some not to understand but there's a few on here knows what I driving at. Tab bill

[blackmaggie 3,376]

I always taught weigh up the the reasons for breeding a bitch work style etc and find a stud that could add to what she was missing but it had to be  a proven producer in what you  wanted to achieve but I get the line or offspring may not be around long due to the work style then its up to the handler to decide if it's worth trying  at what ever age   some produce some don't 

Edited July 14, 2018 by blackmaggie