Line bred Lurchers not long dogs

[poxon 5,718]

So how far in to line breeding do you lot like to Out cross?

 

[two crows 3,342]

11 minutes ago, Bosun11 said:

40+ years behind his breeding

I like that but theres no like thingy can you give more details please.

[Bosun11 537]

Two line bred belly brothers, one put to another line bred lurcher, the other to a bull cross. Pups from each litter hard tested and put the best back to each other.

Up to date and the line has continued with no outcrosses and will do for years to come.

[poxon 5,718]

That’s my line bred bitch her line was started in 1985 from f1 collie/greyhound to a f1 deerhound greyhound then to a whippet greyhound on both sides of the family tree there all related all through to my bitch 5 gens on each side I out crossed my bitch to a bedlington greyhound to drop a hit of base blood back in there I’ve done 2 matings to the same stud I’ll be taking a dog pup out the best bitch from the first mating when she’s bred from to put back in to my bitch so it’ll be nephew to aunt breeding then see what happens from there

[C.green 3,229]

39 minutes ago, two crows said:

they les likely to be closely related so widens the gene pool you can then cross back in with less risk of inbreeding, a bit like every one using the same stud sooner or later they all like brothers and sisters, (bit like here in the fens lol)

Aye that makes sense but myself ive never seen anything bad from inbreeding a family of animals seen ferrets and chickens very closely related and where good at there jobs. 

[billhardy 2,342]

On 29 June 2018 at 12:39, C.green said:

I reckon these days theres line bred and inbred lines big difference in the two i think for most people. 

Both the same only factor when it clicks. Line breeding, when maladies begin to surface through tight breeding the turm inbreeding spouted about ,fa what it's worth livestock in general can be bred on and on jaz from one f1 over four generations. Meaning her dam grandma great grandma great grandmas all the same  brood bitch,and all the sires bred from her back ta greys down the line reintroduced son mother , grandson etc etc. Breeding only two greys one alsation in the blood line,  inbreeding no line breeding yes bred tight and bred down ,no doubt the outs will see the vigour bring them back up. Thing his with livestock line breeding each generation gets racey smaller lighter  and usually fa the better.if best ta best used from each generation. Atb bill

[C.green 3,229]

Lovely type that is poxon looks fast i fancy something similar next

[C.green 3,229]

4 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Both the same only factor when it clicks. Line breeding, when maladies begin to surface through tight breeding the turm inbreeding spouted about ,fa what it's worth livestock in general can be bred on and on jaz from one f1 over four generations. Meaning her dam grandma great grandma great grandmas all the same  brood bitch,and all the sires bred from her back ta greys down the line reintroduced son mother , grandson etc etc. Breeding only two greys one alsation in the blood line,  inbreeding no line breeding yes bred tight and bred down ,no doubt the outs will see the vigour bring them back up. Thing his with livestock line breeding each generation gets racey smaller lighter  and usually fa the better.if best ta best used from each generation. Atb bill

So a line if dogs bred down but put to an unrelated bitch each time isnt a line of sorts ? 

 

I know you know a thing or two about breeding bill so genuine qestion ?

Edited June 29, 2018 by C.green

[billhardy 2,342]

On 29 June 2018 at 13:39, two crows said:

I like that but theres no like thingy can you give more details please.

 

On 29 June 2018 at 13:39, two crows said:

I like that but theres no like thingy can you give more details please.

The bull xs I can see he a line bred animal straight away ,yas get the eye fa line bred stock just something you beget through experience very nice ,atb bill

[two crows 3,342]

46 minutes ago, billhardy said:

Both the same only factor when it clicks. Line breeding, when maladies begin to surface through tight breeding the turm inbreeding spouted about ,fa what it's worth livestock in general can be bred on and on jaz from one f1 over four generations. Meaning her dam grandma great grandma great grandmas all the same  brood bitch,and all the sires bred from her back ta greys down the line reintroduced son mother , grandson etc etc. Breeding only two greys one alsation in the blood line,  inbreeding no line breeding yes bred tight and bred down ,no doubt the outs will see the vigour bring them back up. Thing his with livestock line breeding each generation gets racey smaller lighter  and usually fa the better.if best ta best used from each generation. Atb bill

when we look at the faults in pedigree dogs we all blame the show dog fraternity, but all they have done is bred tight to produce a type, when faults do crop up its to late, why keep a gene pool small on purpose.

[eastcoast 4,090]

Does this count? Borzoi/Irish Setter base lines with a dash of collie and been breeding true to type for years. It's ok... I've already got me coat on. Off to the pub.

[shaaark 10,693]

4 hours ago, Phil Lloyd said:

That is a lovely picture of the Red Beddy,..he really does look beautiful.

Personally,..we always used related dogs when breeding our lurchers, mostly because it was easier to use the Boy/girl next door than to travel all over the UK...

 I was once a village Boy and nobody I knew had a car...and to us, the Fens, the Moors and the Dales, were as remote as another country.

 So, we played safe,..rarely improved on our cur dogs and were blissfully happy in our ignorance.

 When I could get about, I used dogs from all over, bred loads,..won a few, and definitely lost a few...

Breeding running dogs can often be a lottery...

The main reason I never kept a specific type for 60 years, was due to the amazing variety of jobs and pursuits that were on offer. 

 When I went rabbiting on a paid basis,... I needed a dog that could find'em, catch 'em and not act the c*nt,...in front of the customer...

I settled on my own preferred type of rabbiter,..doubt I'll change now...

 

 

Pair of belters there phil. They ok on feather too?

[poxon 5,718]

7 minutes ago, eastcoast said:

Does this count? Borzoi/Irish Setter base lines with a dash of collie and been breeding true to type for years. It's ok... I've already got me coat on. Off to the pub.

Not really mate but nice try though unless it’s used as a Lurcher An doing the job of a Lurcher An running for it’s living....but nice try though

[nothernlite 18,076]

We Tess line bred got her from ireland the guy had the line going 35 years when i got her 8 years ago 

[two crows 3,342]

6 minutes ago, nothernlite said:

We Tess line bred got her from ireland the guy had the line going 35 years when i got her 8 years ago 

how is she bred and what age from looks alone that's a bitch for your dog.