Would you breed from a jacker?

[fatlad 250]

i bred a litter last year by accident after the dog lost his leg both were too young really but well bred i gave all the pups away and just kept the last little bitch

as i couldnt be bothered to advertise her , she self entered to fox at 9 months her mother is grafting well i put that more down to the breeding than anything

else but im not sure id use a dog that had walked

[Lozzer 237]

Surely if someone knows their own dogs inside out then the have a good idea of what the want to produce and what the be up against in life for there own work , . And to produce better but with the style of commitment required. But not hoping for ( the dog ) , but mostly all good enough.  Some dogs will jack even if thought the good .some that wont.And some through the fault of the owner.  But obviously putting a out and out dog that walks out can't be good as be inherited. 

[Mooching Celt 659]

29 minutes ago, Lozzer said:

Surely if someone knows their own dogs inside out then the have a good idea of what the want to produce and what the be up against in life for there own work , . And to produce better but with the style of commitment required. But not hoping for ( the dog ) , but mostly all good enough.  Some dogs will jack even if thought the good .some that wont.And some through the fault of the owner.  But obviously putting a out and out dog that walks out can't be good as be inherited. 

f**k me your posts take some reading......are you Sean Frain by any chance cos i struggle with his books too

[Kaiser Sozé 282]

1 hour ago, Bryan said:

If only there were some hard rules we could all follow for success. It's all very simple, but not very easy. 

One great line I got from a guy who has a working line since the 70's. He offered a months wages way back for a bitch, I asked how good was she that he offered that. He said she wasn't perfect and "had thrown a few knacks" which would be more than enough for the THL massive to have shot her 10 times over.

But he said "I KNEW she'd produce!"

Nobody could argue with that mans credentials either Bryan. If it's the bitch I'm thinking of the offer was rejected...

[C.green 3,229]

2 hours ago, dillydog said:

That wasn't the question Liam, and the way I'd see it I'd have a good honest look at why it failed, the state of the family and if it was going stagnant I'd have no hesitation in moving along and changing what I keep...... life's to short.

Thats something you dont hear alot now. Good post.

[Wales1234 5,490]

Best dog iv seen work over last few season was given to a mate from a pet home because they couldn’t look after him he account for 100s of digs , no big names or lines but no one will use him at stud because of that reason 

[Glyn..... 5,208]

a long time ago i had a handy bitch who worked lovely , but she disliked a much handier bitch i owned , so when a hunt teerrrierman asked if he could borrow her  , i agreed , unfortunately i didn't know they liked to work terriers in the same earth , i got the bitch back and i could see her back end, legs had  tail  been chewed, i asked what had gone on and was told a young dog had slipped in behind her got off on his own , or so i was told , i found out years later the wankers had nothing worth keeping and my bitch was always in front so getting chewed both ends, first dig i took her on she went in and yapped a few times came off , she failed 3 times wouldn't go she was 5 years old had done 3 good seasons in fact faultless seasons with me 

luckily for her i took a hunt  terrierman job , and she would bolt foxes from bales and drains , so she stayed and was handy if you needed a bolt from certain places by the end of that season she was killing the odd fox again , you could see her confidence returning she wanted to be in control again   , at the end of the next seasons she began to work all before her again and did until old age , a jacker yes she was, did i bred from her yes i did , and a good % of her pups worked ,  you need to know why they jacked, i've had a few jack on me but i know when do i know its not because of then being handled wrong , these i would not breed from unless it was , that or start out all over again

Edited June 14, 2018 by Glyn.....

[tank34 2,341]

2 hours ago, Wales1234 said:

Best dog iv seen work over last few season was given to a mate from a pet home because they couldn’t look after him he account for 100s of digs , no big names or lines but no one will use him at stud because of that reason 

It seems lines an names come before work 

[dillydog 8,463]

The reason for lines and names is because they keep producing generation after generation.  They don't give themselves a "name", it's earned through word of mouth.

Your mates dog by the sound of it is a great terrier, but is he a one off in the lottery of genetics ? I'd sooner follow a line of known producers than a legend amongst shit.  

Edited June 14, 2018 by dillydog

[chesney 5,444]

Only thing for a jacker put ta sleep or get it neutered that way it stops it from being bred from and pups sold to unsuspecting lads thinking there buying the dream. Dogs do have of days for various reasons but there only do many chances ya give them. I've seen some very well bred stuff throw in the towel 2nd and 3rd season tightly bred stuff and others bred worker ta worker with some very good stuff behind it.  

[Corkman 944]

7 hours ago, Kaiser Sozé said:

Nobody could argue with that mans credentials either Bryan. If it's the bitch I'm thinking of the offer was rejected...

Kaiser, would you have bred off that bitch? 

[bull mcabe 595]

A few years ago I was on holiday for a couple of days and one of the boys was looking after my terriers a certain very good bitch was in season at the time and I gave instructions to mind her as she was not being mated this time. A few weeks later I noticed her starting to grow in size and realised she was in pup. I asked the lad who looked after them that weekend did he f**k up he said no even though I know he did. I had 7 males on the yard and not a clue which one had done the deed and a certain young dog didn't make the grade. The breeding was spot on whichever dog it was but as I didn't know which dog I gave out the pups. Two of which I would give my right hand for as I've seen them work last few seasons and there top notch. I've been offered the service of the two brothers at stud but I just can't bring myself to use them as I don't know what dog the sire was. Could have been a young one who never made the grade. Makes you laugh doesn't it !!! Incidentally we lost the bitch in ground last season rip ruby.

[Kaiser Sozé 282]

1 hour ago, Corkman said:

Kaiser, would you have bred off that bitch? 

You can be sure I would have Corkman! I've never seen the bitch work but I know plenty who did and  they rate her highly. Also her breeding is as good as it gets and she threw top class terriers and they did in turn. Whatever knacks she's supposed to have pulled I don't imagine it was much. Both men fell out so opinions might be biased?

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

The answer to all of it is not to box yourself into a corner ,never keep all your apples in one basket .Dogs do Jack through no fault of the breeder BUT as I've said many times on here its' what happens after that takes things forward not backwards .I know a couple of well known lads who would keep very poor bitches to breed from just because its' their stuff and should come right .I've always, without fail either culled it or kept it for rattlng only, never to be bred from .In fact I've probably been too critical in the past looking back ,not culling wrong stuff  but not breeding due to minor faults .Somebody said why is that jacker still alive to breed from and I agree .It's  just poor management to get in a position where there aint options open and available .The opposite should be more of a dilema ,which dog over which bitch .

[dillydog 8,463]

4 hours ago, foxdropper said:

 

Edited June 15, 2018 by dillydog