First cross

[two crows 3,342]

starting off with something and trying to change it into something that already exists is pointless, what phil said  about purpose bred dogs is spot on, if hares are your thing you know what to get, same for fox or deer, there are hundreds of great rabbiting lurchers out there, so why bother trying to go back in time, however if the dear hound cross lights your fire go for it and be happy,  as I have got older I don't take  my self ore my dogs to seriously and my enjoyment has gone up as a result.

[billhardy 2,343]

On 6 June 2018 at 10:47, PJCaswell said:

I don't know who looks more miserable - you, your dog or the fox 

Them vibes get picked by the jukel miserable can't.

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

1 minute ago, Busher100 said:

If you end up with a chainsaw the breeding program was a success because you've got better than what you started with

Not if you wanted a better bowsaw. Incidentally, I make part of my living doing tree work and all arborists and ntree surgeons do use handsaws as well as chainsaws.

[Black neck 16,234]

1 minute ago, two crows said:

starting off with something and trying to change it into something that already exists is pointless, what phil said  about purpose bred dogs is spot on, if hares are your thing you know what to get, same for fox or deer, there are hundreds of great rabbiting lurchers out there, so why bother trying to go back in time, however if the dear hound cross lights your fire go for it and be happy,  as I have got older I don't take  my self ore my dogs to seriously and my enjoyment has gone up as a result.

Thats kind of what i meant the crows but but i used saws as a euphenism

Ohh get me

[Busher100 748]

A chainsaw takes alot less effort than using a bowsaw I say

[Black neck 16,234]

1 minute ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Not if you wanted a better bowsaw. Incidentally, I make part of my living doing tree work and all arborists and ntree surgeons do use handsaws as well as chainsaws.

You use a pruning saw and a chain saw you never use a bow saw admit it

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

In my case you'd be right. Some do use bowsaws but I consider the pruning saw to be an improvement.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Maximus Ferret

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

Out of interest, does anyone think that the bedlington blood in the back pedigrees of most top strains of fendog or coursing dog makes them better than hounds with only saluki and greyhound in them?

My own feeling is that it does because although testing and selection over generations has obviously been the primary factor the mixture of breeds provided the raw material to work on in the first place.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Maximus Ferret

[Busher100 748]

I'd of thought it would be so diluted it wouldn't make a difference

[Maximus Ferret 2,063]

And yet in spite of the dilution some of the best lines still have the woolly coat. Who knows what mental qualities might have carried down in the same way.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Maximus Ferret

[Busher100 748]

I thought alot of the early saluki X's were saluki X lurcher rather then saluki grey so God knows what else is in there even though far far back.

[two crows 3,342]

7 minutes ago, Maximus Ferret said:

Out of interest, does anyone think that the bedlington blood in the back pedigrees of most top strains of fendog or coursing dog makes them better than hounds with only saluki and greyhound in them?

My own feeling is that it does because although testing and selection over generations has obviously been the primary factor the mixture of breeds provided the raw material to work on in the first place.

 

4 minutes ago, Busher100 said:

I'd of thought it would be so diluted it wouldn't make a difference

yes to both it is diluted, but it made the early dogs what they were and that makes the present  dogs what they are, coursing bred bitch with bedy blood 40 odd years ago and present  day line bred bitch.

[Busher100 748]

But how many times have the those original coursing animals been put back to pure salukis and straight saluki Grey's I'm sure if you worked out the amount of beddy blood in them it would probably be less than a 1/16

[two crows 3,342]

1 minute ago, Busher100 said:

But how many times have the those original coursing animals been put back to pure salukis and straight saluki Grey's I'm sure if you worked out the amount of beddy blood in them it would probably be less than a 1/16

your correct, with these dogs today the peds are written down, and percentage wise there nearly pure saluki but very different , our version if you like, and nothing else needs to be added, they are complete and need keeping so.

[Busher100 748]

Do you think the rough coat still hangs about because alot of the coursing dogs go back to the same early dogs basically line breeding keeping it with in the type