lurchers (breeding)

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

Two Crows knows...

[Guest vin]

As much as I like a good 1st cross dog... As you generally know what your getting and what to expect, and I've seen a few. I like Buck... I love Bryn... Either of these 2 over a Grew or coursing dog would still produce uncertainties in type, size, coat etc... I would much prefer a pup from the 2nd generation of the offspring etc. ....  Buck or Bryn's pup ...then put back to a similar type worker etc.

I myself would still prefer a Worker to Worker bred from Bitza Lurchers with not too much of any one particular breed, Just good strong well bred working dogs of a few generations with the history of parents and grandparents flowing through them.

One day we will all end up where we started... Collie x Greyhound X Deerhound x Greyhound. . . . . . . It worked because we made it work.

 

[two crows 3,342]

back when I started a long long time ago ,saluki was introduced direct to peoples existing lurchers to improve coursing ability, but little did they know just how important these crosses would become in the creation of what we take for granted, todays coursing dogs have had generations of men breading best to best to achieve this, these dogs have such  a deapth of breading behind them its unreel, here is an old pic from the early days the bigger bitch is fly beddlington lurcher cross saluki, this bitch was an awesome  hare killer and a decent knock about dog the smaller bitch is off her to a non ped whippet very fast but clever with it. pic about 1973/4 ish.

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Edited May 22, 2018 by two crows

[bird 9,926]

3 hours ago, vin said:

As much as I like a good 1st cross dog... As you generally know what your getting and what to expect, and I've seen a few. I like Buck... I love Bryn... Either of these 2 over a Grew or coursing dog would still produce uncertainties in type, size, coat etc... I would much prefer a pup from the 2nd generation of the offspring etc. ....  Buck or Bryn's pup ...then put back to a similar type worker etc.

I myself would still prefer a Worker to Worker bred from Bitza Lurchers with not too much of any one particular breed, Just good strong well bred working dogs of a few generations with the history of parents and grandparents flowing through them.

One day we will all end up where we started... Collie x Greyhound X Deerhound x Greyhound. . . . . . . It worked because we made it work.

 

yeh vin,  dogs from proven line  over 6-8 gens  , that doing the job you want in your lurcher, is the way to go , like ive said on here and to you and tomo few times  as 1xs go both dogs have been good dogs , maybe ive been lucky  as on here . i prob end up getting a pup in from  lurcher x lurcher   proven dogs when the time right, no hurry  [BANNED TEXT] old Bryn gone could be couple  years away yet, dont want more than 2 dogs anytime, so plenty of time . all it was that Buck good dog, and shame not to use his genes , it wont happen as people stick to popular and conventional  dogs  racy type dogs  ,  still it was only thinking about the future , in 3 years time i might not want another dog anyway, when you get to my age , you start to look at thing differently  mate  it a twat  getting older .!!  

[Black neck 16,003]

2 hours ago, two crows said:

back when I started a long long time ago ,saluki was introduced direct to peoples existing lurchers to improve coursing ability, but little did they know just how important these crosses would become in the creation of what we take for granted, todays coursing dogs have had generations of men breading best to best to achieve this, these dogs have such  a deapth of breading behind them its unreel, here is an old pic from the early days the bigger bitch is fly beddlington lurcher cross saluki, this bitch was an awesome  hare killer and a decent knock about dog the smaller bitch is off her to a non ped whippet very fast but clever with it. pic about 1973/4 ish.

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Seen this pic before somewhere what a cracking pair of rakes

Lovely

[darbo 4,776]

Used to enjoy the odd article you wrote in the early editions of EDRD Two crows atb.

[Guest vin]

3 hours ago, bird said:

yeh vin,  dogs from proven line  over 6-8 gens  , that doing the job you want in your lurcher, is the way to go , like ive said on here and to you and tomo few times  as 1xs go both dogs have been good dogs , maybe ive been lucky  as on here . i prob end up getting a pup in from  lurcher x lurcher   proven dogs when the time right, no hurry  [BANNED TEXT] old Bryn gone could be couple  years away yet, dont want more than 2 dogs anytime, so plenty of time . all it was that Buck good dog, and shame not to use his genes , it wont happen as people stick to popular and conventional  dogs  racy type dogs  ,  still it was only thinking about the future , in 3 years time i might not want another dog anyway, when you get to my age , you start to look at thing differently  mate  it a twat  getting older .!!  

I would have thought that the best use for Buck would be to use him as a stud back to Pure Shepherds and Alsatians etc... to straighten up all their genetic flaws. . . . He could certainly add what's lacking in a large percentage of the ones we see these days.

[stormyboy 1,352]

A lot of breeding results from studs depend on how homozygous they are ie:do they stamp their type on their offspring. The only way to find out is to try it!

[Black neck 16,003]

2 hours ago, darbo said:

Used to enjoy the odd article you wrote in the early editions of EDRD Two crows atb.

That's where I seen it and can remember the tale it was sound 

[Black neck 16,003]

These forums are good really in that you get to chat to folk that know a lot about the dog's and even write books from experience 

I might write one called the wazaks guide to hunting with my experience of wandering about aimlessly and falling over things it would be a hit

[Black neck 16,003]

Might struggle with the hunting part but spose I could just go into beer tent mode and tell outrageous lies

[billhardy 2,342]

It's right what's been said find a collies xs grey with umpteen gens workers same could be said of lots a types there may be odd uns ,but coursing types are streets ahead of all the Xes family best ob best over many decades ,thing his now it's the norm  they mostly all carry very good lines.yeah nice pic  t two crows  ,,there's plenTy bits as types about these parts lthey all have the saluki in there in some way or other from tor Dartmoor or gingers Luke,they add massive pluses .atb bill

[roybo 2,873]

 

6 hours ago, bird said:

yeh vin,  dogs from proven line  over 6-8 gens  , that doing the job you want in your lurcher, is the way to go , like ive said on here and to you and tomo few times  as 1xs go both dogs have been good dogs , maybe ive been lucky  as on here . i prob end up getting a pup in from  lurcher x lurcher   proven dogs when the time right, no hurry  [BANNED TEXT] old Bryn gone could be couple  years away yet, dont want more than 2 dogs anytime, so plenty of time . all it was that Buck good dog, and shame not to use his genes , it wont happen as people stick to popular and conventional  dogs  racy type dogs  ,  still it was only thinking about the future , in 3 years time i might not want another dog anyway, when you get to my age , you start to look at thing differently  mate  it a twat  getting older .!!  

Maybe in a few years time,if you want another dog ,a dog like Brynn might suit you,he seems a little less full on and smaller and easier to handle.

[bird 9,926]

2 hours ago, roybo said:

 

Maybe in a few years time,if you want another dog ,a dog like Brynn might suit you,he seems a little less full on and smaller and easier to handle.

 he deff more easier  to handle, Bryn nice size lurcher 25 in 60 lb ,  just a bit to much collie for my liking  really,  a 1/4  plenty in a lurcher i reckon .  few years away yet the old bugger   fit  for his age   lol .

[Aussie Whip 4,101]

Your  dog Buck over a bully/grey would make good pig dogs,for other game I'd put him over a straight grey or grew.