lurchers (breeding)

[bird 9,926]

just a thought ,  what people's preference  in using a pure sight hound, greyhound, saluki,deerhound  , whippet   to start a line   to get a lurcher  using  in the dam or sire, or just go straight to lurcher x lurcher  to get a lurcher pup . ive got 2   1xs    , collie x grey , and gsd x grey  , both are good dogs , had plenty of rabbits  with them day and night , both are fast for there type of breeding , agile  , and not bad  stamina , and both have been very easy to train . ive had lurcher x lurcher   bitch who was great  hunting dog , good day and night , plenty of rabbits and good on foxes and few hares in the day, this was back in the 80s. so  i know that some lurcher x lurcher , make very good hunting dogs, get the right breeding  from proven parents  . if i ever get another lurcher in the future , i like a dog pup out of Buck, maybe to nice   whippet x grey type bitch  with drop of bull in there  , as ive always liked lurchers with drop of bull in the mix, but no hurry  wait  when old Bryn gone , the old bugger fit for his age   lol  could  be  3years away  and Buck will be my last big  dog , now i am getting older lol .  just a thought  as i was talking to a mate about lurcher's  couple months back  as you do lol , and it came up   this subject  .

[Casso 1,261]

I’ve always worked off the principle that if a animal was bred for a specific purpose the pups will be genetically predisposed to gravitate towards that purpose,

actually catching game in this case , almost as if the learned ability is passed on to the pups even prior to them hunting , 

I used to believe the greyhound was the starting point, but hounds nowadays are bred to race not catch , collie is not bred to catch , although they can , and when was the last time a deerhound fed a family 

that’s my take on it , I’m sure others will disagree , but I feel the physical history of what both parents have done can influence genetically , 

best of luck 

   

[keepitcovert 842]

 I am also a believer  in genetic inheritance of working ability, my saluki whippet was from decent working parents and she made her first kill at 7 months when more experienced dogs were present that should have beaten her to it..Sight hounds like lurchers these days seem to be in fashion with a lot of owners that will never work their dogs and this could have a detrimental effect on future generations of working dogs. Lurcher to lurcher usually produces the goods but most lurchermen generally favour a certain cross. You going down the same road as me ray and looking for a smaller lurcher,

[bird 9,926]

32 minutes ago, keepitcovert said:

 I am also a believer  in genetic inheritance of working ability, my saluki whippet was from decent working parents and she made her first kill at 7 months when more experienced dogs were present that should have beaten her to it..Sight hounds like lurchers these days seem to be in fashion with a lot of owners that will never work their dogs and this could have a detrimental effect on future generations of working dogs. Lurcher to lurcher usually produces the goods but most lurchermen generally favour a certain cross. You going down the same road as me ray and looking for a smaller lurcher,

good thread  Casso  ,    yeh  mate  not getting any younger  66 in august  lol ,   Buck great dog  ticked all the boxes for me deff ,  and he good dog to have around  great temp with people and dogs , but when hunting  fook me   he  powerful,  he take some holding when he sees his quarry , trigger of here knows that   lol, but drop of that  in a smaller type lurcher , you have cracking dog deff , it what i like  to try and aim for in the future, but long way off yet, Buck on top of his game now at his age 6 in august .  so yeh  nice whippetx grey type bitch to Buck  maybe somthing for the future  thats if a nice bitch came up? . But as i said   both  him and old Bryn been good dogs , very good 1xs, maybe i ve been lucky , as i know with any 1x  you never really can tell which way the pups will throw ,  sighthound or the other base blood .

[sandymere 8,263]

Bird if reducing the size is your main aim then  a bred down grew may well do exactly what you want but  to my mind a coursing type, lurcher not grey, would bring good feet an stamina to the mix and lighten the frame a little making management slightly easier.

ps or put him over a galgo 

[poxon 5,741]

This will be a interesting post I’ll be keeping a eye on it 

[tank34 2,344]

3 hours ago, bird said:

good thread  Casso  ,    yeh  mate  not getting any younger  66 in august  lol ,   Buck great dog  ticked all the boxes for me deff ,  and he good dog to have around  great temp with people and dogs , but when hunting  fook me   he  powerful,  he take some holding when he sees his quarry , trigger of here knows that   lol, but drop of that  in a smaller type lurcher , you have cracking dog deff , it what i like  to try and aim for in the future, but long way off yet, Buck on top of his game now at his age 6 in august .  so yeh  nice whippetx grey type bitch to Buck  maybe somthing for the future  thats if a nice bitch came up? . But as i said   both  him and old Bryn been good dogs , very good 1xs, maybe i ve been lucky , as i know with any 1x  you never really can tell which way the pups will throw ,  sighthound or the other base blood .

Buck be nice over a greyhound bird

[Casso 1,261]

Seen some great results from a half bred bitch to a good lurcher dog , 

twice as good as the bitch , pups seem to be ahead of time as far as learning too, smart from the off 

[roybo 2,873]

I'd use someone else's hard work and opt for a dog that does what you want,and has a few generations behind it doing that. 

 Or just by a pup out of a breeding you fancy

[peterhunter86 8,627]

18 minutes ago, W. Katchum said:

If buck is as strong an as driven an hard as ye make out then why add bull? Surely that throwing even higher chances of big heavy pups if there’s big heavy dogs in both sides? 

I think he ment if he was getting another dog he would like something with a drop of bull but if he was to breed buck it would be to a grew.

[roybo 2,873]

Fair play Ray I hope at 66 I'm still capable thinking of my next dog.

  Be just my luck to be screaming at my carers to wipe my arse and thinking my kids are breaking in my house

 

[billhardy 2,342]

I think this Buck fa me would produce a very good  all round edible jukel with pluses going to a generation coursing type,sandy mere right they will come lighter framed easier to handle and all the pluses offa good footed constitution runner.now grew type bit bull added ,one could  get a physically tougher animal pain threshold maybey .its diicult ta say I feel if yas going down the road of adding bull xs go generation bull grey.level  em out .if yas want size reduction grew non ped sharpen em right up .i know Ray's very fond of bull breeds and rightly so , they bring big pluses to any type xs and for those that decry bit bull ,yas do really need ta get about .i have had the three quarter alsation grey ,I picked a male that rough to the f1,he was around twenty six very light in comparission to Buck and the average bull xs type. I know there's other. Three quarter types Alsatians that throw far to much grey and fa me are shite.theres a litter local alsation grey Wheaton bull grey xs ,they have thrown moderate even type looking welps nature has a way off ironing things out in xs breeds . Da me I fancy it's what yas trying ta achieve in the next generation that Buck Cana do ,or maybe get same but smaller lighter animal easier keep etc.  Fa me ray a mixed bred lurcher from workers will suffice ,no unless ones looking fa a certain trait ,the lurcher lurcher will suffice.what we have to remember these alsation greys are very very powerful twenty eight or twenty three,and age in the handler. At times ,one needs to down size in not just height weight but the overall type  has the saying to much animal at times fa the needs. I believe good honest thinking of the animal that suits the needs of now and maybey the next decade, his called for it ain't no drop to graft a little bull whippet or collie whippet or even a mix of the two.atb bunnys

[stormyboy 1,352]

I've said it before ray, buck put back to a grew  would probably breed some very useful pups. He carries enough substance and, from your description of him, balls, to produce the goods next generation. I would wager the resulting whelps wouldn't be lacking in strength or drive. Never been a fan of too many breeds in a lurcher, the more variaty of genes the more variable the litter.

 

[bird 9,926]

2 hours ago, stormyboy said:

I've said it before ray, buck put back to a grew  would probably breed some very useful pups. He carries enough substance and, from your description of him, balls, to produce the goods next generation. I would wager the resulting whelps wouldn't be lacking in strength or drive. Never been a fan of too many breeds in a lurcher, the more variaty of genes the more variable the litter.

 

spot on  , thats what i think  , a    grew  = whippet x grey   they full on type dog in there own right, plenty of drive/pace n them, Buck would give good feet/coat, stamina, guts ,  prob get pups hitting  23in-26in   50- 70lb    bang on for most quarry , be good lurchers  . you never know ,  whats around the corner as they say .  and i agree  i not a fan of to many breeds in a lurcher   2 or 3   more than enough .

[two crows 3,342]

breading the ideal lurcher is a tricky one to say the least, some want this some want that etc etc,, not to big not to small, with coursing dogs it was slightly easier because its more of a specialist type, with most folk wanting the same thing, and by crossing best to best, here we are with a dog almost pure in its breading, and with a couple of coat variations throes very nearly true to type, making the fi redundant. both  greyhounds and grews  can be to bullish, and headstrong that's why I believe by adding saluki by using a  coursing type you will get a much steadier animal with a coursing brain and no drop in pace.