Lurcher pup

[socks 32,253]

I'm not hiding behind anything fella and I'm so not reporting to silly digs and jibes and name calling like you ... I understand dogs perfectly it's not just luck that I raise and work well balanced dogs of all breeds. Anyway you have your notions and obviously believe your correct. You keep spending an hour a day with your pups and I will continue spending all day with mine. 

[Wales1234 5,546]

I find it odd my lurchers listen well and are pretty much well behaved in a nut shell then I have my house pet Russell I spent a the most time with because she in the house and generally comes everywhere with me and that little b*****d doesn’t listen to a word I say edit to say my working terriers listen pretty well aswell In most situations besides the obvious 

[dogmandont 9,879]

This could be a real interesting topic if you lads with a good knowledge on the subject could discuss it without the bitching. Could be a real help to a lot of lads... 

[Casso 1,261]

18 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

This could be a real interesting topic if you lads with a good knowledge on the subject could discuss it without the bitching. Could be a real help to a lot of lads... 

There definitely food for thought  in what your saying ,it’s gone a bit stale on here of late , I’ll say one thing about chap , when he takes a bite he won’t let go

debate on any topic is always good believe it or not , it informs but it also brings a new prospective you may not have looked at before   If you keep an open mind , 

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

I think any dogman worth his salt, would be keen to learn from men who have an expertise that they lack,.it would be wastefully foolish not to benefit, from the wisdom of others.

However, as a fellow of limited intellect and scant formal schooling,... I do think that it is woefully foolish, to compare the training, schooling, and phycology of the specialist attack dogs and highly trained protection dogs, to the mindset of a Gazehound based hybrid...

I suppose prey drive is similar, no matter what the intended quarry,  but I have found that my soft-hearted but consistent approach to schooling, seems to produce the type of working/hunting style of lurcher that I desire.

As stated, I am genuinely keen to learn from guys with a modern take on this interesting subject.

[two crows 3,342]

I raise my pups softly softly  loads of attention, and treat them the same when they grow up and they worship me, but when I bark the little shits stand to attention and take notice lol

[Lurcherman332 75]

That’s what I’m doing now and she’s coming out her shell and becoming a different dog everyday coming on nicely now thanks for the advice 

[Casso 1,261]

The puppy stage of development is the most open and engaging , there is complete emotional flow, in other words what it is attracted to , it wants  to ingest ,

A stomach on little legs , no barriers to attraction and also no self regulation,  no impulse control 

when it encounters resistance as it grows which it will in the form of house breaking, confrontation for ripping shit up, basic run of the mill  day to day life in the Home encounters , these encounters are tagged with fear , how can it not be, the only way it can perceive the world is through a predator/prey axis

negative encounters in a cub/ pup wild or tame are a learning process and when something is tagged with fear, it is never forgotten , it’s how the young of any wild animal survives into adulthood and the younger the pup is, the heavier the impact is felt 

but pups are born social and the overriding attraction to humans is a force of nature and we believe little harm is done because it wags it’s tail two minutes later,  

What the Germans in sports dog training found in high level competition those little kinks in the emotional flow, the resistance from confrontation / discipline very much affect the bravery of the fighting dog , dog against man , they wanted the pure emotional flow with no emotional resistance , they wanted the completely open puppy mind , fear of man was a lot more difficult to work with and will break down into instinctive fear based behaviour  submissive behaviour in other words  with valued items , that’s where it shows, the proximity of us to the dog with a valued item will rekindle the origanal fear every time

A dog is attracted to whatever object /activity expends most of it energy , the mutt can only focus on One  thing at a time , thats important to rememberv and as a predator,  prey making is number one 

the ideal socialisation for a running dog should be to go out with a live bunny in your pocket , the dog wouldnt take its eyes off you , don’t do this in reality it’s unethical and illegal but if we want our grown dog to ignore everything as an adult , the focus should be taking away from everything else as how the collie can focus on its handler with hundreds around as socks said but you give it the object of focus first not later when it’s slready invested in every gobshite with a dog that comes along 

socialisation should be called ignorasation , you give a pup  the object of focus first(food , play object )which enables it to placate the fear instincts which kick in when encountering strange people dogs etc 

you don’t needs to spend weeks months socialisation to every living object , man on bike , girl with hat , kid with ginger hair , you only need it to focus on what you have and you , you become  number one and every other distraction gets ignored in the long run  

socialisation is a well meaning operation as it stands but the general public are introducing some highly driven dogs/ predators showing them other dogs.(prey ) as a way of getting used to them and what happening is their prey instincts are been triggered over and over , eventually something blows , most of the time it’s other dogs on the receiving end unfortunately but thankfully not children 

dog is a predator with social leaning ,Articles in the CMW are using the term predator now funny enough, but the more you know about how your dog is comprehending the world the easier it is to be one step ahead 

many may disagree but the best way to look at it is, food for thought ,, 

 

[Busher100 748]

"Socialisation is a well meaning operation as it stands but the general public are introducing some highly driven dogs/ predators showing them other dogs.(prey ) as a way of getting used to them and what happening is their prey instincts are been triggered over and over , eventually something blows , most of the time it’s other dogs on the receiving end unfortunately but thankfully not children" 

 

Are you trying to say the more you show a high drive dog other dogs it is going to eventually think of them as fair game? If so that is complete bullshit but maybe I've read it wrong.

[Casso 1,261]

2 minutes ago, Busher100 said:

"Socialisation is a well meaning operation as it stands but the general public are introducing some highly driven dogs/ predators showing them other dogs.(prey ) as a way of getting used to them and what happening is their prey instincts are been triggered over and over , eventually something blows , most of the time it’s other dogs on the receiving end unfortunately but thankfully not children" 

 

Are you trying to say the more you show a high drive dog other dogs it is going to eventually think of them as fair game? If so that is complete bullshit but maybe I've read it wrong.

for a start it’s not a thinking process , explain what you mean 

[Busher100 748]

So from that paragraph it came across that you were trying to say if you show a high drive dog other dogs it will see them as prey 

 

[Casso 1,261]

2 minutes ago, Busher100 said:

So from that paragraph it came across that you were trying to say if you show a high drive dog other dogs it will see them as prey 

 

What I am saying is when someone brings a dog here with dog aggressive tendencies, it is almost certainly socialised with a high temperament with zero outlet for its physical capabilities  many have had negetive encounters through socialisation , I wasn’t clear enough to add that these are joe public’s dogs not working animals working dogs are less aggressive in general because of purpose 

[Phil Lloyd 10,738]

I would think that the original poster's head is spinning...

 So much in-depth information and data, ...presented to us, in a most erudite manner.

It must be comforting to look upon a canine pal in such an analytical and logical way...

Personally, I still believe that certain dogs do have a genuine affection and close bond with their owners...

Likewise, I genuinely enjoy, being around my own hunting partner,..we have great fun and life is a gas.

Possibly, I am thinking along anthropomorphic lines, and maybe a contemporary student of training methods or a canine behaviouralist might think my feelings to be silly,..but, I don't care. We only have our lurchers and terriers for a relatively short time,..facts are, if you work them, you can lose them,..they could go, at any time...

So, although admiring, the highly trained performance athletes,... I will never subscribe to the notion that a dog is just a dog, and simply see the critter in a cold-hearted and scientific manner.  For me, there would be no point in keeping a jukel if it wasn't my bestest, truest friend,...

 

 

 

 

 

[skycat 6,173]

1 hour ago, Casso said:

What I am saying is when someone brings a dog here with dog aggressive tendencies, it is almost certainly socialised with a high temperament with zero outlet for its physical capabilities  many have had negetive encounters through socialisation , I wasn’t clear enough to add that these are joe public’s dogs not working animals working dogs are less aggressive in general because of purpose 

That's it in a nutshell; most pet dogs have nothing to do except go for walkies in over-stimulating situations, such as watching other dogs playing about, kids running and screaming, and they belong to idiots who don't understand that just about all dogs were originally bred for a particular purpose. Decades of breeding haven't removed that original instinct so it's no wonder that many mutts cannot cope with the lives they lead. I've yet to encounter a working lurcher with the tendency to take out another dog, or a child, unless it has belonged to a complete lunatic. One such I met had been shut in a kennel 24/7, only walked on the lead: it was a Saluki type lurcher and had been baited by kids through the kennel bars and was owned by one of the worst fools I've ever had the misfortune to meet. Thankfully those sort of people are far and few between, unlike too many of the pet-owning general public who seem to think that Fido is a furry robot who just wants to please them or fit in with their unproductive and unfulfilled lives.

[forest of dean redneck 11,707]

2 minutes ago, skycat said:

That's it in a nutshell; most pet dogs have nothing to do except go for walkies in over-stimulating situations, such as watching other dogs playing about, kids running and screaming, and they belong to idiots who don't understand that just about all dogs were originally bred for a particular purpose. Decades of breeding haven't removed that original instinct so it's no wonder that many mutts cannot cope with the lives they lead. I've yet to encounter a working lurcher with the tendency to take out another dog, or a child, unless it has belonged to a complete lunatic. One such I met had been shut in a kennel 24/7, only walked on the lead: it was a Saluki type lurcher and had been baited by kids through the kennel bars and was owned by one of the worst fools I've ever had the misfortune to meet. Thankfully those sort of people are far and few between, unlike too many of the pet-owning general public who seem to think that Fido is a furry robot who just wants to please them or fit in with their unproductive and unfulfilled lives.

And the people with their (fur babies )