Gay Cake Hits The Supreme Court

[Blackbriar 8,569]

So, the rights of the gay couple override the rights of the bakery owners to follow their chosen religious beliefs ?  That is truly f***ed up !

Can I, therefore, sue Goldberg's bakery for refusing to make me a sausage roll ? Or a halal butcher for not selling pork chops ? It's the same principle, surely ?

 

Still, we must encourage diversity - as long as it's not diversity of opinion, obviously.

[walshie 2,804]

3 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

So, the rights of the gay couple override the rights of the bakery owners to follow their chosen religious beliefs ?  That is truly f***ed up !

Can I, therefore, sue Goldberg's bakery for refusing to make me a sausage roll ? Or a halal butcher for not selling pork chops ? It's the same principle, surely ?

 

Still, we must encourage diversity - as long as it's not diversity of opinion, obviously.

I think gay rights override certain religious beliefs and probably not others.

I reckon muslim would trump gay and gay would trump Christian. 

Straight Christian would be bottom of the list.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

8 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

So, the rights of the gay couple override the rights of the bakery owners to follow their chosen religious beliefs ?

The biggest issue, IMHO, is that the rights of a private business owner to refuse service to someone is no longer applicable. The market would regulate whether this is or isn't acceptable and shouldn't be an avenue for arbitration.

If I want someone out of my shop because they're a c*nt they shouldn't have legal grounds to sue me for it.

[Francie 6,368]

The wee wankstain knew what he was doing, he purposley went to that baker for provocation, he knew they wouldnt put it on the cake, but went on ahead.

 

[JohnGalway 1,043]

46 minutes ago, Blackbriar said:

So, the rights of the gay couple override the rights of the bakery owners to follow their chosen religious beliefs ?  That is truly f***ed up !

Can I, therefore, sue Goldberg's bakery for refusing to make me a sausage roll ? Or a halal butcher for not selling pork chops ? It's the same principle, surely ?

I think if the bakery or butcher refused to sell you something that they do sell currently, because of something about you, then it's a fair comparison. Otherwise you're going into a tailors demanding to be sold a shotgun.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

3 minutes ago, Francie said:

The wee wankstain knew what he was doing, he purposley went to that baker for provocation, he knew they wouldnt put it on the cake, but went on ahead.

 

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This is my issue too. The plaintiff wanted his rights to be respected but refused to recognise the rights of the baker to the point of a lawsuit.

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

11 minutes ago, JohnGalway said:

I think if the bakery or butcher refused to sell you something that they do sell currently, because of something about you, then it's a fair comparison. Otherwise you're going into a tailors demanding to be sold a shotgun.

John, do you think a retailer should be coerced into selling something they don't want to? Personally, I have no issue with gay weddings. Again if I was a baker I'd make a giant cock shaped cake if they wanted me to but if I was to refuse a cake with an inflammatory political slogan should the slighted party have legal recourse?

[Francie 6,368]

3 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

This is my issue too. The plaintiff wanted his rights to be respected but refused to recognise the rights of the baker to the point of a lawsuit.

 

Best thing about it chris, he has same rights as anyone else, hes not special, an neither are rest of homosexuals.

As you know, buisness will an do choose who they do buisness with, but the christians get the raw deal as usual.

I wonder if a straight man went into a homo bakery an asked for a christian cake would we get it???

More than likley not, an i bet they wouldnt take it to court.

[JohnGalway 1,043]

1 minute ago, ChrisJones said:

John, do you think a retailer should be coerced into selling something they don't want to? Personally, I have no issue with gay weddings. Again if I was a baker I'd make a giant cock shaped cake if they wanted me to but if I was to refuse a cake with an inflammatory political slogan should the slighted party have legal recourse?

Meh, genuinely I don't have an opinion either way on whether they should or shouldn't, I don't care enough about it. What I can tell ya is this, I don't see any route where the baker does anything but lose the case. So, in that light they were dumb as f**k.

[Francie 6,368]

Hope to f**k this gets overturned in the supreme court, cant wait to see that weeman smug look wiped off his face, aww the pleasure it would be.

[Welsh_red 4,644]

Whatever happened to just calling someone a bellend and trying a different shop.  Who's got time to drag it through the courts 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 minutes ago, Francie said:

Best thing about it chris, he has same rights as anyone else, hes not special, an neither are rest of homosexuals.

As you know, buisness will an do choose who they do buisness with, but the christians get the raw deal as usual.

I wonder if a straight man went into a homo bakery an asked for a christian cake would we get it???

More than likley not, an i bet they wouldnt take it to court.

Agreed mate but to me, this is as much of a civil rights issue to the defendant as it is the plaintiff. I have no quarrel with gay or christian I just believe that you have a fundamental right to associate with who you choose and that choice shouldn't be at the coercion of a government entity. You absolutely have the right to not do something.

If you went to a gay run facility and asked for an item with a religious significance they may or may not do it but that would be their choice. If they make it great, if they don't then there thousands of others that will and probably cheaper with better quality. The difference is that you and I aren't going to sue them over it even though there is now a legal president to do so.

1 minute ago, JohnGalway said:

Meh, genuinely I don't have an opinion either way on whether they should or shouldn't, I don't care enough about it. What I can tell ya is this, I don't see any route where the baker does anything but lose the case. So, in that light they were dumb as f**k.

He's already done on one appeal but whether they uphold it will be the lynchpin. Again I have no quarrel with either party but rights are being eroded.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

4 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Whatever happened to just calling someone a bellend and trying a different shop. 

Exactly but will we ever see being a bellend as a protected class?

[JohnGalway 1,043]

4 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

He's already done on one appeal but whether they uphold it will be the lynchpin. Again I have no quarrel with either party but rights are being eroded.

I suppose I look at it from a practical point of view, bake a cake & pocket the £, or this shit storm. Dealing with the public is cuntish any way you look at it, my thinking is err on the side of caution and protect yourself. I see no profit in the bakers decision, just risk.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

8 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Whatever happened to just calling someone a bellend and trying a different shop.

Pretty much my definition of a free society.