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[South hams hunter 8,921]

17 minutes ago, WILF said:

So the state should have power to kill them ? 

I didn' say that; these people aren' able to look after themselves and neither are their families. They can' live without a machine so why keep them alive for the sake of the families? They wouldn' survive if it wasn' for medical care and in many other countries they wouldn' have the science to keep them alive or the family couldn' afford it

[WILF 46,652]

16 minutes ago, South hams hunter said:

I didn' say that; these people aren' able to look after themselves and neither are their families. They can' live without a machine so why keep them alive for the sake of the families? They wouldn' survive if it wasn' for medical care and in many other countries they wouldn' have the science to keep them alive or the family couldn' afford it

Ok, so let me rephrase, they should just be left to die? 

[Welsh_red 4,629]

2 hours ago, WILF said:

What exactly are you finding difficult to understand about an opinion that:

Dont believe in being able to end the life of unborn children willy nilly (adjust made there on the terminology)

Don’t believe  the state should be alowed to end the life of a child in hospital against the wishes of his parents (or even at all?) 

I don’t quiet know what’s difficult to understand ?

Oh I understand what your opinion is , I was asking what a buck shee was.  Now I know 

[South hams hunter 8,921]

23 minutes ago, WILF said:

Ok, so let me rephrase, they should just be left to die? 

No because that implies they have no care. I don' believe people should be kept alive artificially or in pain

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

1 hour ago, South hams hunter said:

They wouldn' survive if it wasn' for medical care and in many other countries they wouldn' have the science to keep them alive or the family couldn' afford it

True that. Also in many countries, they wouldn't have the money to keep up the treatment either. Would there be an issue if there was no government healthcare and the ability to keep someone alive was based on your chequebook and charity from others?

If the state shouldn't be allowed to make this decision what determining factors should there be? If the NHS was a fully private system that had no taxpayer contributions would this story have hit the headlines at all? He'd be in Italy now and they could use whatever machinery they pleased to kick around this political football.

[WILF 46,652]

57 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said:

Well dont you think doctors amd nhs are basing this on the merit of this case. They arent allowing every ill child to die because they feel like it.

I think you are talking about two vastly different things.......one involves going into care and one involves going in a coffin mate.

Just my take on your question.

[WILF 46,652]

1 hour ago, South hams hunter said:

No because that implies they have no care. I don' believe people should be kept alive artificially or in pain

 

Yeah, so they should be allowed to die......it’s OK to say it if it’s your opinion.

[WILF 46,652]

1 hour ago, ChrisJones said:

True that. Also in many countries, they wouldn't have the money to keep up the treatment either. Would there be an issue if there was no government healthcare and the ability to keep someone alive was based on your chequebook and charity from others?

If the state shouldn't be allowed to make this decision what determining factors should there be? If the NHS was a fully private system that had no taxpayer contributions would this story have hit the headlines at all? He'd be in Italy now and they could use whatever machinery they pleased to kick around this political football.

But the NHS does exist mate and it has cost thousands of billions of pounds and will continue to do so.......what if don’t really come into it.

Its there, it exists, it was sold as care from cradle to grave and has an untouchable status......damn right they should follow the wishes of the very people that pay for it.

[WILF 46,652]

i thinks this is what a lot of you are saying........I’ll leave you to translate and work out who commissioned the poster.

[scothunter 12,609]

You wasted on here wilf you should be in the theatre with that retorect. 

You're posts in here would make Goebbels proud lol

[stumfelter 3,034]

3 hours ago, WILF said:

As Born Hunter pointed out much more eloquently than I ever could, what if the state wasn’t asking you if you want to die they were just telling you that you must and your nearest and dearest don’t get a say? 

Am I the only one on here who finds it ironic that your on here saying that the British taxpayer (via the NHS ) should spend millions keeping vegetables alive when you bailed out and don't pay British taxes? Smells of do as I say and not as I do to me.....

[WILF 46,652]

27 minutes ago, stumfelter said:

Am I the only one on here who finds it ironic that your on here saying that the British taxpayer (via the NHS ) should spend millions keeping vegetables alive when you bailed out and don't pay British taxes? Smells of do as I say and not as I do to me.....

It’s already been paid for......you ain’t spending shit

[WILF 46,652]

38 minutes ago, scothunter said:

You wasted on here wilf you should be in the theatre with that retorect. 

You're posts in here would make Goebbels proud lol

I aim to please  

[stumfelter 3,034]

2 minutes ago, WILF said:

It’s already been paid for......you ain’t spending shit

If it's already been paid for why do we have to pay taxes?

[WILF 46,652]

2 minutes ago, stumfelter said:

If it's already been paid for why do we have to pay taxes?

What else are your government going to pay for Stephen Lawerence day with?