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Everyone has an opinion an there entitled to it thats what chat forums are for.. Everyone will be unique in there upbringing and beleifs so nobody is right or wrong..it is an awful thing that the wee child was born like this in the first place but life is cruel unfortunately... but there is a lot more important things happening at the moment throughout the world for the media to be playing this out.. this should be between the family and the courts IMO..and thats all it is an opinion.

[greg64 2,842]

they wont be able to do anything for lad if he did go to Italy,his brain has gone to mush 

[Meece 1,957]

Why is it that people get so obsessed about stuff like this. We had one miscarriage and one stillborn.  At the time it was very traumatic and sad but in retrospect it was probably the best thing. If the stillborn had, had a life it would not have been a life of any meaning and it would have had a very negative effect on the other children. Every day in the UK about 15 die! That amount's to about 3440 a year (2015). UNICEF estimate that 29 thousand children under 5  die per day !that's about 21 a minute.  So it's pretty sad really but life goes on. You wouldn't keep an animal in this state. It would be viewed as cruel. Who is financing all of these legal challenges that this family are mounting?  Is there some sort of agend behind-the-scenes ?

[South hams hunter 8,922]

1 hour ago, Francie said:

Whats more cruel, letting him die, which in itself will be cruel, or taking him to doctors that want to try an save him?

If they think the wee lad is gonna die anyway, then how could things get anymore cruel?

I just cant understand the reasoning of not letting them try, the wee mite deserves it, not to be given up on, especially as mush pointed out, the docs are wrong he still fighting he could have been at the brain hospital in italy.

Im really sorry to hear of your loss, i couldnt bare the thought mate, but that doesnt mean everyone has to choose the route you did.

No your right but they have said his brain is past the point of no return I just don' understand why they are dragging it all on for the poor kid

[South hams hunter 8,922]

1 hour ago, mushroom said:

The kid has been alive for two days, when Drs said he's be dead in 5 minutes..... he could easily have made it to Italy in that time and got the support he needed, until his parents were willing to say "ok that's enough" you of all people should understand this mate. Difficult decisions take a lot out of people, when they still have hope

I do get it mush I do .... I just don't see what the Italians are going to do. His brain is gone and they won' be able to do anything

[South hams hunter 8,922]

1 hour ago, John d said:

Better than a passive unhypocritical cyclist tho

Lost me

[scothunter 12,609]

30 minutes ago, Meece said:

Why is it that people get so obsessed about stuff like this. We had one miscarriage and one stillborn.  At the time it was very traumatic and sad but in retrospect it was probably the best thing. If the stillborn had, had a life it would not have been a life of any meaning and it would have had a very negative effect on the other children. Every day in the UK about 15 die! That amount's to about 3440 a year (2015). UNICEF estimate that 29 thousand children under 5  die per day !that's about 21 a minute.  So it's pretty sad really but life goes on. You wouldn't keep an animal in this state. It would be viewed as cruel. Who is financing all of these legal challenges that this family are mounting?  Is there some sort of agend behind-the-scenes ?

Pro life. Catholic church usual suspects. 

I think its Very bad taste these cases are used to push there own beliefs and agendas. 

For the third time I will mention it as it's been ignored. Last case like this and everyone was calling the British government and NHS heartless murderer's when they said American Dr could give him proven treatment that worked. No hadn't even looked at the kids charts or even spoke to the London drs. 

Funded by American pro life radicals. So people can post all the links they want but I make no apologies for not talking any of it as gospel.  As almost everyone one on here likes to preach the media spin and lie and it's all propoganda or does that ONLY apply when it suits you're argument. Im genuinely sorry for the child and the parents but do you really think 3 high court judges And a barrage of drs are just doing this just to be c**ts. They will have every piece of medical facts and reports.

Btw the Dr who has cared for this kid since birth is now Getting threat's to him and his staff from these fanatic's who don't give a shit about the kid but only the cause which they push. . Like the last case it's turned into a circus. 

The courts could easily have seen this trip to Italy as a perfect get out clause allow it to happen and wash their hands of the whole sorry sad affair but no they have blocked this for one reason only and that is the in the child's interests. 

Some raised "it's about money" really well put him on a flight to Italy that would save money on the NHS so no money has f**k all to do with this. 

Hate on the NHS and the UK all you want but I for one will always be grateful and hold it in high regard. Even if it does have its problems as does any HUGE organisation. It helps people every minute of every day in this country and has made people's life's better and saved countless more. Yes it's f****d up aswell but hey every one does in there job. 

I will say no more on the subject other than I hope this wee boy isn't suffering needlessly and the drs don't let these nutters influence them to much or cloud their judgements in any future cases to some poor family who has to face this. 

[WILF 47,138]

Doctors can do wrong.......and they do.......pretty f***ing often.

Im sure they dont mean to but it happens anyway.

They are NOT always right.

[Welsh_red 4,649]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

Doctors can do wrong.......and they do.......pretty f***ing often.

Im sure they dont mean to but it happens anyway.

They are NOT always right.

Maybe not but surely with everything they know their in a better place to give a opinion than countless people who have read a few internet articles 

[WILF 47,138]

8 minutes ago, scothunter said:

Pro life. Catholic church usual suspects. 

I think its Very bad taste these cases are used to push there own beliefs and agendas. 

For the third time I will mention it as it's been ignored. Last case like this and everyone was calling the British government and NHS heartless murderer's when they said American Dr could give him proven treatment that worked. No hadn't even looked at the kids charts or even spoke to the London drs. 

Funded by American pro life radicals. So people can post all the links they want but I make no apologies for not talking any of it as gospel.  As almost everyone one on here likes to preach the media spin and lie and it's all propoganda or does that ONLY apply when it suits you're argument. Im genuinely sorry for the child and the parents but do you really think 3 high court judges And a barrage of drs are just doing this just to be c**ts. They will have every piece of medical facts and reports.

Btw the Dr who has cared for this kid since birth is now Getting threat's to him and his staff from these fanatic's who don't give a shit about the kid but only the cause which they push. . Like the last case it's turned into a circus. 

The courts could easily have seen this trip to Italy as a perfect get out clause allow it to happen and wash their hands of the whole sorry sad affair but no they have blocked this for one reason only and that is the in the child's interests. 

Some raised "it's about money" really well put him on a flight to Italy that would save money on the NHS so no money has f**k all to do with this. 

Hate on the NHS and the UK all you want but I for one will always be grateful and hold it in high regard. Even if it does have its problems as does any HUGE organisation. It helps people every minute of every day in this country and has made people's life's better and saved countless more. Yes it's f****d up aswell but hey every one does in there job. 

I will say no more on the subject other than I hope this wee boy isn't suffering needlessly and the drs don't let these nutters influence them to much or cloud their judgements in any future cases to some poor family who has to face this. 

I rather get the suspicion mate that you argue the point precisely because you think it’s coming from a catholic/Christian prospective.

But I could be wrong........

[WILF 47,138]

2 minutes ago, Welsh_red said:

Maybe not but surely with everything they know their in a better place to give a opinion than countless people who have read a few internet articles 

They are, but then again his parents are sat there looking at him every day too......should their opinion be disregarded? 

Should the decision to end the life of THEIR son be taken out of their hands? 

[scothunter 12,609]

Well as you directed it at me mate I'll answer you the same answer you gave me earlier in the thread when I said "it's being used as political football" you said "yes and rightly so" or words to that affect. 

Yes part of my statement does involve the religious aspect as imo they jump all over over cases like this to push there agenda. Regardless of the consequences or suffering. 

They have proven that time and time again with Thier Draconian ignorant advice. 

[dogmandont 9,839]

14 minutes ago, WILF said:

I rather get the suspicion mate that you argue the point precisely because you think it’s coming from a catholic/Christian prospective.

But I could be wrong........

But your not.

[dogmandont 9,839]

6 minutes ago, scothunter said:

Well as you directed it at me mate I'll answer you the same answer you gave me earlier in the thread when I said "it's being used as political football" you said "yes and rightly so" or words to that affect. 

Yes part of my statement does involve the religious aspect as imo they jump all over over cases like this to push there agenda. Regardless of the consequences or suffering. 

They have proven that time and time again with Thier Draconian ignorant advice. 

Hatred is a poison. Don’t let it eat you up scotty.

[WILF 47,138]

4 minutes ago, scothunter said:

Well as you directed it at me mate I'll answer you the same answer you gave me earlier in the thread when I said "it's being used as political football" you said "yes and rightly so" or words to that affect. 

Yes part of my statement does involve the religious aspect as imo they jump all over over cases like this to push there agenda. Regardless of the consequences or suffering. 

They have proven that time and time again with Thier Draconian ignorant advice. 

I know.....love each other ......don’t kill other human beings........be kind........don’t steal.......Value life.......respect your mum and dad

Outrageous, outdated idiots

Don’t they know we have no use for such claptrap........we have legislation now days to help us live our life.

We pay money, the government takes the responsibility and we can relax......much better ! 

“Don’t stop believing........la la la “