Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 26 minutes ago, WILF said: You have answered your own question with the “given a choice” line mate.......the point is, in this case, the parents are not being given a choice. But the child hasn't got the ability to make that choice, if he can't survive on his own then what's the point? Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 5 minutes ago, stumfelter said: What I'm struggling with is if the NHS is "already paid for" and "awash with cash" the doctors must all be sadists who just like watching kiddies die, I'll bet they're all rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of it, the b*stards. Meanwhile in the real world.... It's an insult to the doctors and nurses who train their asses off to suggest such things. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
roybo 2,873 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 I've always been of the opinion that if one of my family or myself was so ill that i wouldn't have a quality of life i'd switch the machine off. That was until I was faced with the situation. my brother was admitted into hospital after chemotherapy, and whilst there contracted t.b meningitis. This was misdiagnosed , they put his strange behaviour down to him just being difficult. they sat on the results for a week before it was noticed. the upshot is he's cancer free, but paralysed and unable to speak. They did turn the machines helping him off twice, but he fought on, they tried to send him home without a feeding tube. So we thought it only fair to fight for HIM, and he received it. With hind site they Fcuked up royally and tried to hide it (lost records). But it has changed my mind regarding the the easily said thing ,of "turn the machine off" although he can't talk or walk he's happy, has a cracking sense of humour,and a demanding tosser , that we wouldn't be without I think it's a very personal thing, that there isn't a right answer to. Hopefully the child's best interests will come first,regardless of the legalities 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 24 minutes ago, stumfelter said: What I'm struggling with is if the NHS is "already paid for" and "awash with cash" the doctors must all be sadists who just like watching kiddies die, I'll bet they're all rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of it, the b*stards. Meanwhile in the real world.... The joys of not living in the real world ? I' imagine it must be one of the toughest jobs going, what they also forget is its not unlimited so any money spent on unrecoverable cases is wasted as it could spent on a case that's curable Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 25 minutes ago, Kerny92 said: But the child hasn't got the ability to make that choice, if he can't survive on his own then what's the point? But he is surviving on his own ?....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 Just now, WILF said: But he is surviving on his own ?....... For now yes, but how long will it be before he needs medical aid to stay alive? I'm on the parents side here believe you me but i can't see all those specialists being wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 28 minutes ago, stumfelter said: What I'm struggling with is if the NHS is "already paid for" and "awash with cash" the doctors must all be sadists who just like watching kiddies die, I'll bet they're all rubbing their hands together with glee at the thought of it, the b*stards. Meanwhile in the real world.... Don’t be silly mate........just cause you have a personal attachment to the NHS. Link to post Share on other sites
dogmandont 9,839 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 14 minutes ago, roybo said: I've always been of the opinion that if one of my family or myself was so ill that i wouldn't have a quality of life i'd switch the machine off. That was until I was faced with the situation. my brother was admitted into hospital after chemotherapy, and whilst there contracted t.b meningitis. This was misdiagnosed , they put his strange behaviour down to him just being difficult. they sat on the results for a week before it was noticed. the upshot is he's cancer free, but paralysed and unable to speak. They did turn the machines helping him off twice, but he fought on, they tried to send him home without a feeding tube. So we thought it only fair to fight for HIM, and he received it. With hind site they Fcuked up royally and tried to hide it (lost records). But it has changed my mind regarding the the easily said thing ,of "turn the machine off" although he can't talk or walk he's happy, has a cracking sense of humour,and a demanding tosser , that we wouldn't be without I think it's a very personal thing, that there isn't a right answer to. Hopefully the child's best interests will come first,regardless of the legalities Was going to post something similar earlier roybo, a family friend was in a bad motorcycle accident several years ago and there was talk of turning of his life support but his family would not hear of it, that fella is now married with a kid and back to work. The brain injury slightly altered his personality ( I keep telling him for the better lol) but he’s happy and healthy, things could have been so much different if his family had of taken the advice of the doctors. 3 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 (edited) Let have it right, if someone tried to turn off life support to the kids of most blokes on here without their say so there would be murders......you know it and I know it and rightly so too. Edited April 26, 2018 by WILF 4 Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6127386/alfie-evans-dad-parents-supporters-stop-alder-hey-hospital-dignity-plan/?utm_source=FBPAGE&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=SprnklrSUNOrganic&UTMX=Editorial:TheSun:FBLink:Quote:News No more media coverage. Link to post Share on other sites
roybo 2,873 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 in the case of a child ,i'd hope the parents would have last say. I'd also hope the parents would have the wisdom and respect to know when the time has come edited to add it seems that they have 1 Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 27 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said: Same circumstances but instead of wanting to take him to italian doctors they wanted to take him to a witch doctor how would you feel about that wilf ? I don’t really deal in the surreal mate.......except when I read about British politics. Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 2 hours ago, scothunter said: Oh I wasn't comparing in fact it's actually got me thinking why if one case warranted over ruling the parents wishes why this wasn't if the courts are basing it on the best interests of the child. Tbh I don't really know how old the kid was or if he was suffering. Or if it's just religious shit takes precedence. But surely if a life could be saved as easy as a transfusion then it should have been done. But then a lot of you are all for parents wishes and rights and no interference from the state. Need to ask someone. How old this kid was.but in Pretty sure he was young I know folk in the village don't speak to them after it. As I said mate, I think one could be seen as abuse and the other killing......that chasm is very wide imho But I do appreciate some may see it as the same. Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,141 Posted April 26, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, South hams hunter said: It' as and when though isn' it Yum yum ! Lol Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,922 Posted April 26, 2018 Report Share Posted April 26, 2018 1 hour ago, WILF said: Yum yum ! Lol Its true though weasel; you chop and change your opinion more than most do socks. Link to post Share on other sites
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