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[mushroom 12,918]

5 minutes ago, WILF said:

I think again, you have to believe that a parent wants what’s best in a situation like this above everyone, the doctors will give them the info and they decide........you can’t tell me that a high court judge and even a team of doctors who are no relation care more about welfare than the parent.

It HAS to be them and their choice all the way imho 

Absolutely agree... if those Drs would've stopped trying on my mum and made this type of decision for my grandparents...... my veteran grandad would have had hell to try and stop my gran killing the lot of them ?

She would've taken them all down, no messing about ?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

1 hour ago, stumfelter said:

The NHS is awash with money? Do you sometimes just come out with the first bullshit that enters your head?

To be fair here, mate, it is awash with money. £120billion annually. They tell you it breaks even but it's completely mismanaged. We'll never know just how mismanaged until it gets privatised. That will happen at some point in the future.

33 minutes ago, WILF said:

It ends when the child’s parents decide it ends........how can it morally be any other way mate?

Fair one but how far do you go against all advice from medical professionals?

I can't comment too in-depth on this as I don't really know a great deal about it. A similar case here, with a family friend, they didn't have the money to keep the systems running although if they did the choice would have been one of finance as the poor little mite wasn't going to make it. I can accept the final choice comes down to the parents but at what expense to the child?

[Francie 6,368]

So is it true that the doctors wanted to give the wee mite a lethal injection to kill him?

If it is thats f***ing disgusting, especially when they aint got a diagnosis.

Doctors did the same to my mum, wanted to let her die "no resusitation" an i told them to f**k off, this happened three times to mum, an she pulled threw, an lived to see her grandchildren.

The docs arent always right, as been shown on this thread many a time, an in thousands of other cases.

Those docs treating the wee mite are wrong already, they said he would die within five minutes off the ventalator, but he still btreathing an heading to rome, f***ing wankers they are, going to court an everything, at end off the day they should have keep trying no matter what.

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

12 minutes ago, Francie said:

So is it true that the doctors wanted to give the wee mite a lethal injection to kill him?

I'm highly sceptical of this allegation and I'd like to see sources for it.

[dave88 1,565]

I've followed the story pretty closely and I've read nothing about an injection

[stumfelter 3,034]

1 hour ago, ChrisJones said:

To be fair here, mate, it is awash with money. £120billion annually. They tell you it breaks even but it's completely mismanaged. We'll never know just how mismanaged until it gets privatised. That will happen at some point in the future.

Fair one but how far do you go against all advice from medical professionals?

I can't comment too in-depth on this as I don't really know a great deal about it. A similar case here, with a family friend, they didn't have the money to keep the systems running although if they did the choice would have been one of finance as the poor little mite wasn't going to make it. I can accept the final choice comes down to the parents but at what expense to the child?

I'll agree that the NHS is mismanaged (my wife works at a children's hospital) but not the claim that it's awash with money. If it had unlimited funds not one operation would be cancelled and they could afford to spend unlimited funds on this poor kid but unfortunately in the real world monetary decisions have to be made and believe me if that's upsetting to the general population it's even moreso for the staff....

[walshie 2,804]

I don't think it was anything to do with money. I think it's about not flogging a dead horse. As said earlier, I'm sure they could keep him alive, of sorts, for many years, but they could do that with lots of people with various brain issues or brain damage. The hospitals would be full of vegetative people, just to appease the families.

If there was a tiny chance of him getting better, I'd agree they should keep on with the treatment, but there isn't a chance of him getting better and the "treatment" is just artificially keeping him alive. It's not like they gave up at the first opportunity. This has been going on since December 2016.

I love my son more than anything on earth, but I can hand on heart say if he was in that bed, I wouldn't want him to carry on being fed through a tube, not knowing what the f**k is going on. I'd rather he was at peace than had that sort of indignity thrust on him for no other reason than me not wanting to lose him.

People are saying it's down to the parents to make the decision. I believe what's right for the poor little mite trumps anything the parents have to say.

[stumfelter 3,034]

12 minutes ago, walshie said:

I don't think it was anything to do with money. I think it's about not flogging a dead horse. As said earlier, I'm sure they could keep him alive, of sorts, for many years, but they could do that with lots of people with various brain issues or brain damage. The hospitals would be full of vegetative people, just to appease the families.

If there was a tiny chance of him getting better, I'd agree they should keep on with the treatment, but there isn't a chance of him getting better and the "treatment" is just artificially keeping him alive. It's not like they gave up at the first opportunity. This has been going on since December 2016.

I love my son more than anything on earth, but I can hand on heart say if he was in that bed, I wouldn't want him to carry on being fed through a tube, not knowing what the f**k is going on. I'd rather he was at peace than had that sort of indignity thrust on him for no other reason than me not wanting to lose him.

People are saying it's down to the parents to make the decision. I believe what's right for the poor little mite trumps anything the parents have to say.

Totally agree.

[WILF 46,787]

27 minutes ago, dave88 said:

I've followed the story pretty closely and I've read nothing about an injection

Nor did I, I read the term “chemical suffocation” but I have no idea what it means or entails 

[Francie 6,368]

So its ok for some folk to be kept in a veggie state but not others?

Look at stephen hawking for example, should the docs have let him die at 21???

He was more or less a f***ing robot, couldnt do f**k all except use his special chair.

Walshie the docs are assuming hes in pain, they dont know for certain.

An i checked out the lethal injection thing, its more or less true, midazolam and fentanyl is what they wanted to give the wee mite for pallative care, even tho there was no diagnosis for alfie, so they had given up, an wanted to inject him with the above to "help" him die with "dignity" even tho they didnt have a diagnosis, an thats what would off happened if the italians didnt help, theyed of turned his machine an injected him to "help" him die, even tho they havent a clue whats wrong with the wee critter.

[WILF 46,787]

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/chemical-suffocation-how-doctors-want-alfie-evans-to-die

Bit more in depth here......this was obviously 2 days ago and the little mite has been having to breath on his own from last night so it shows just what they know.......

Howling !

[dave88 1,565]

3 minutes ago, Francie said:

So its ok for some folk to be kept in a veggie state but not others?

Look at stephen hawking for example, should the docs have let him die at 21???

He was more or less a f***ing robot, couldnt do f**k all except use his special chair.

Walshie the docs are assuming hes in pain, they dont know for certain.

An i checked out the lethal injection thing, its more or less true, midazolam and fentanyl is what they wanted to give the wee mite for pallative care, even tho there was no diagnosis for alfie, so they had given up, an wanted to inject him with the above to "help" him die with "dignity" even tho they didnt have a diagnosis, an thats what would off happened if the italians didnt help, theyed of turned his machine an injected him to "help" him die, even tho they havent a clue whats wrong with the wee critter.

What's the source of that paragraph mate?

Edited April 24, 2018 by dave88

[WILF 46,787]

Those drugs ring a bell and I know what they are now I think of it.......they are what are used (or formerly used) to execute prisoners on death row I think ?

[ChrisJones 7,975]

20 minutes ago, stumfelter said:

I'll agree that the NHS is mismanaged (my wife works at a children's hospital) but not the claim that it's awash with money. If it had unlimited funds not one operation would be cancelled and they could afford to spend unlimited funds on this poor kid but unfortunately in the real world monetary decisions have to be made and believe me if that's upsetting to the general population it's even moreso for the staff....

Fair one and I accept the economics behind it too, I just challenge the public sector's attitude towards taxpayer contributions. My son spent 2 months in the special baby care unit in 2000. Watching the accounting and consultancy departments spunk the money away is genuinely infuriating. We both know that £120billion, where it's needed, would make it awash with money. We also so know that there will never be enough money because those that are in charge of the money are the last people that should be allowed to handle money!

 

[Francie 6,368]

1 minute ago, dave88 said:

What's the source of that quote mate?

Thats not a quote, thats me lol but i got the info about the injection there were looking to give alfie from that tv doctor ravi the paki.