Fell terrier cross

[Francie 6,368]

I think a good strong working fell over a grey bitch, now that would be interesting born?

Would you rather a small medium or large cross lol

[Born Hunter 17,763]

On 4/14/2018 at 17:52, Francie said:

I think a good strong working fell over a grey bitch, now that would be interesting born?

Would you rather a small medium or large cross lol

Anything between probably 18-21”. Fairly small then. Plenty of terrier blood to give a hard nature, good rough coat and that terrier like nature which I personally find quite biddable. A dog for ratting, doing squirrel dreys, rough shooting, ferreting, bit of lamping, ideal to have knocking about with me on the shoot or for flushing a fox and complement spaniels well. Maybe if raised to be steady and biddable enough be a handy stalking dog. Importantly not a big animal and not a lot of sighthound blood. Lots of scope for a dog bred the way I’m thinking, terriers are such versatile dogs if given the chance and so as a base for a lurcher really interests me. Any of the whirriers I posted pics of would suit me but a grey x would probably make for a better runner I agree.

Edited April 16, 2018 by Born Hunter

[Black neck 15,899]

58 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Anything between probably 18-21”. Fairly small then. Plenty of terrier blood to give a hard nature, good rough coat and that terrier like nature which I personally find quite biddable. A dog for ratting, doing squirrel dreys, rough shooting, ferreting, bit of lamping, ideal to have knocking about with me on the shoot or for flushing a fox and complement spaniels well. Maybe if raised to be steady and biddable enough be a handy stalking dog. Importantly not a big animal and not a lot of sighthound blood. Lots of scope for a dog bred the way I’m thinking, terriers are such versatile dogs if given the chance and so as a base for a lurcher really interests me. Any of the whirriers I posted pics of would suit me but a grey x would probably make for a better runner I agree.

A straight fell terrier will do all that 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

Just now, Black neck said:

A straight fell terrier will do all that 

I know mate, I've had a very useful little bitch used for all sorts. I suppose that's largely why Im interested in one to a sighthound. It'd do all the terrier would, minus earth work (hopefully ) but have the legs to catch. 

[Black neck 15,899]

8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

I know mate, I've had a very useful little bitch used for all sorts. I suppose that's largely why Im interested in one to a sighthound. It'd do all the terrier would, minus earth work (hopefully ) but have the legs to catch. 

I got a little black fell for bushing and various things she's a cracker I can't tek her on shoot days tho she totally ignores the birds and flys off in search of bigger things 

[Born Hunter 17,763]

13 minutes ago, Black neck said:

I got a little black fell for bushing and various things she's a cracker I can't tek her on shoot days tho she totally ignores the birds and flys off in search of bigger things 

Likewise mate. Cracking beating dog for hedges, just works it lovely and business like with no great fuss, and the the odd gun loves the opportunity of a quick bolt between drives.

I'm probably always going to have a spaniel or two about now and can't shake the feeling this lurcher/whirrier would really round out my dog needs.

[Black neck 15,899]

There was a patt x whip on a tv programme ferreting kep on jumping the long nets and real steady I tried to break mine to ferrets but it didn't work?

[Black neck 15,899]

My shoot is snided out with things that don't bolt too emotional for me

[jiggy 3,209]

I can't think of any reason why fell(patterdale) x greyhound isn't more popular. People would use sh1t untested bulls and Wheatons first . The only conclusion I can make is they wouldn't throw height, other than that they should be a perfect gamely cross for taking foxes. I don't think they would retrieve rabbits back to hand alive though. They have too much character for that.

[Born Hunter 17,763]

4 minutes ago, jiggy said:

I don't think they would retrieve rabbits back to hand alive though. They have too much character for that.

You might be surpised, that bitch of mine would. I ruined her retrieving really but she'd retrieve duck from water, cock pheasant, even just a couple weeks ago came bumbling out of a hedge with a live rabbit for me. Before I ruined her it would all be live to hand, and still usually is, just more temperamental now. Shocked many a Gun bless her.

She just lacks a really critical level of hardness for me to be worthy breeding from. Useful as f**k for me past 8 years mind. But that doesn't make a dog worth breeding off imo.

[Black neck 15,899]

16 minutes ago, jiggy said:

I can't think of any reason why fell(patterdale) x greyhound isn't more popular. People would use sh1t untested bulls and Wheatons first . The only conclusion I can make is they wouldn't throw height, other than that they should be a perfect gamely cross for taking foxes. I don't think they would retrieve rabbits back to hand alive though. They have too much character for that.

My little fell will retreave ote it catches fur or feather alive tho err no

I think the popular terrier crosses are all mute breeds maybe that has a bearing on things

[jiggy 3,209]

17 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

You might be surpised, that bitch of mine would. I ruined her retrieving really but she'd retrieve duck from water, cock pheasant, even just a couple weeks ago came bumbling out of a hedge with a live rabbit for me. Before I ruined her it would all be live to hand, and still usually is, just more temperamental now. Shocked many a Gun bless her.

She just lacks a really critical level of hardness for me to be worthy breeding from. Useful as f**k for me past 8 years mind. But that doesn't make a dog worth breeding off imo.

An interesting cross nevertheless but I haven't seen one in the flesh so to be fair I'm just guessing.

[Black neck 15,899]

1 hour ago, Born Hunter said:

You might be surpised, that bitch of mine would. I ruined her retrieving really but she'd retrieve duck from water, cock pheasant, even just a couple weeks ago came bumbling out of a hedge with a live rabbit for me. Before I ruined her it would all be live to hand, and still usually is, just more temperamental now. Shocked many a Gun bless her.

She just lacks a really critical level of hardness for me to be worthy breeding from. Useful as f**k for me past 8 years mind. But that doesn't make a dog worth breeding off imo.

Well critical levels of hardness it will have to be a bull whippet for you sir plus you get the added bonus of wearing the full tracksuit and trainers and snearing at folk 

[dogmandont 9,814]

1 hour ago, jiggy said:

I can't think of any reason why fell(patterdale) x greyhound isn't more popular. People would use sh1t untested bulls and Wheatons first . The only conclusion I can make is they wouldn't throw height, other than that they should be a perfect gamely cross for taking foxes. I don't think they would retrieve rabbits back to hand alive though. They have too much character for that.

That little dog I knew of was a tryer on fox but trying can only carry you  so far, another 4 or 5 inches and it would of been a decent fox dog.

[Black neck 15,899]

9 minutes ago, dogmandont said:

That little dog I knew of was a tryer on fox but trying can only carry you  so far, another 4 or 5 inches and it would of been a decent fox dog.

Have you seen some of them old fells  in particular a dog called red ike he was well up on the leg would of bin ideal