Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: It's an inaccurate one. You can be a pro-Britain without being far right. Trouble us all the wrong people are pro Britain mate and the Britons amongst us silenced ,quashed . 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, ChrisJones said: But you should be able to do that under most isms. Nationalism is an ideology that puts the country/homeland first in politics, social, and economic development. Patriotism is the ideology of attachment to that homeland. You can still be a nationalist patriot without being 'far right' but because buzzwords rarely require critical thinking most people think far right is a combination of everything they don't like. If you look at Beck's scale in the clip above he defines far right as too much government power/force. I like that particular analogy as it covers tyranny in whatever guise it comes in. Far left on his scale is anarchy. Zero government. It challenges traditional definition but now alternative facts is a thing f*ck it, why not? But by speaking out as a nationalist you are straight away branded far right Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Trouble us all the wrong people are pro Britain mate and the Britons amongst us silenced ,quashed . That's the beauty of politics, mate. They're also nationalists as they're pushing their view of what is best for Britain. See how f*ck*d it gets? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 minute ago, foxdropper said: But by speaking out as a nationalist you are straight away branded far right In the media that's true but it still doesn't make it factual. If you don't believe in authoritarian rule and suppression of opposition you can't be far right, IMHO. Far right is totalitarianism. Far left is anarchy. It's not the traditional left-right spectrum but Stalinist communism was no different to Hitlerian fascism so shouldn't be on opposite ends of the scale. In my opinion. 2 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Squirrel_Basher 17,100 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Respect the fact you are better educated than me mate, most of that is lost on me ,all I require is a return to proper values where decency is valued not punished and black faces were seen only on Tele . 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Blackbriar 8,569 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 25 minutes ago, foxdropper said: Respect the fact you are better educated than me mate, most of that is lost on me ,all I require is a return to proper values where decency is valued not punished and black faces were seen only on Tele . Don't be too dazzled, Foxy. Between you and me, he's only got O-level English.......... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
walshie 2,804 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 1 hour ago, ChrisJones said: It's an inaccurate one. You can be a pro-Britain without being far right. Not in Britain you can't. Anyone who doesn't want their country overrun by the dregs of the earth is automatically far-right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 46,712 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 We have a Europe full of cheque cashers and name callers.......vested interests telling lads who don’t receive a cheque 3 times a year how f***ing great it all is. Not from where we are sitting it isn’t ! Lol They don’t want to contribute to the debate, they want to stifle it altogether for fear their bubble may pop. Call folk names if it makes you feel better......you got f**k all else in the locker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, foxdropper said: Respect the fact you are better educated than me mate, most of that is lost on me I appreciate the compliment but I just read a lot when the power is out! I'm going to attempt to Hemingway the sh*t out of this and break my entire world political view in a few sentences. Picture a horizontal line. We'll call it the Jones Scale. On the far left side, you have total anarchy which is no government. On the far right side, you total government control which can be any kind of authoritarian rule. Everything in between is on a sliding scale of those extremes. Whatever ism you choose will be on a sliding scale of more or less government control and you will move the marker accordingly. The point is that we will all move that slide one way or another depending on what issue we're discussing. The good news is that we all have some common ground because of that. That's why I said you can be nationalist without being far right. It doesn't matter what is branded in the media as they don't always tell the truth. Buzzwords stop people thinking. In my opinion. 2 hours ago, foxdropper said: all I require is a return to proper values where decency is valued not punished and black faces were seen only on Tele . I can agree with some of that. Common ground. Brown people are here to stay though. You'll have to make peace with that some time. 2 hours ago, Blackbriar said: Don't be too dazzled, Foxy. Between you and me, he's only got O-level English.......... True dat... and it wasn't a strong one either! 2 hours ago, walshie said: Not in Britain you can't. Anyone who doesn't want their country overrun by the dregs of the earth is automatically far-right. According to the media, maybe but what's wrong with owning the terminology? Foxy was complaining all we do is talk about it, so let's get the language right for starters. When did anyone on THL start believing what the media tells us anyway? Edited April 2, 2018 by ChrisJones Clarity Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 Lads embrace it! Look at Hillary's speech where she called her opposition deplorable, they didn't get offended, they were honoured! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,763 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 And left right is wayyyyy too simplistic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, Born Hunter said: And left right is wayyyyy too simplistic! If the media can change the game with buzzwords we need to keep it as simple as possible. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,504 Posted April 2, 2018 Report Share Posted April 2, 2018 4 hours ago, foxdropper said: Respect the fact you are better educated than me mate, most of that is lost on me ,all I require is a return to proper values where decency is valued not punished and black faces were seen only on Tele . A educated man is not always a wise man , that's not a dig at Chris I'm just saying education and wisdom are very different things 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted April 3, 2018 Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, kanny said: A educated man is not always a wise man , that's not a dig at Chris I'm just saying education and wisdom are very different things I've never claimed either BTW. I just view the world through my own biases, like everyone else! Edited April 3, 2018 by ChrisJones 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kerny92 1,246 Posted April 3, 2018 Author Report Share Posted April 3, 2018 Corbyn is going full blown Hitler. What next, the tash? http://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corbyn-criticised-for-meeting-radical-group-jewdas-amid-anti-semitism-row-11314813 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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