Lowther 185 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Apparently two FBI officials took the cctv from the gas station near the penthouse as it had footage of what looked like a missile but again APPARENTLY Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Just seems very strange that what I would have thought to be the second highest profile building in the US had no cctv coverage for incoming visitors vehicles or enemy attacks of any description, feck me I've just been to Hatfield prison today to visit a pal, he's a cat D prisoner ( low risk ) you cannot walk 100 yds without seeing security cameras. Somebody somewhere does not want that recording made public for whatever reason, but the recording is there, or was at one time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 16 minutes ago, delswal said: but surely the Pentagon would have footage of the plane approaching on cctv Prior to using passenger jets as weapons how many places in the world would have had cameras pointing up, do you think? HD cameras weren't commonplace in 2001. How would you gather critic worthy footage on a low res fisheye camera on an object moving at around 500mph? What would have been the point? 16 minutes ago, delswal said: I am under no illusion that the security around that place will be second to none. You have multiple images of the twin towers getting hit from all angles, but not one from the nerve centre of one of the most powerful nations on the planet. 85 cameras in total with the admittedly dubious footage. But what about all the eyewitnesses? The crash debris? The statements from first responders? The recordings from air traffic control? The data from the flight recorder? 17 minutes ago, delswal said: Or no members of the public were aware of any low flying passenger jets that day or maybe the ones that did see the jets had no smart phones to record the incident. How many smartphones were available in 2001? Why throw out all the other evidence? 17 minutes ago, delswal said: Just seems very strange that what I would have thought to be the second highest profile building in the US had no cctv coverage for incoming visitors vehicles or enemy attacks of any description, feck me I've just been to Hatfield prison today to visit a pal, he's a cat D prisoner ( low risk ) you cannot walk 100 yds without seeing security cameras. Somebody somewhere does not want that recording made public for whatever reason, but the recording is there, or was at one time. Another link but I can't understand why the focus is on this one detail when the rest of it was literally scattered around the field. Complete with body parts and airline uniforms. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delswal 3,819 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 8 hours ago, ChrisJones said: Prior to using passenger jets as weapons how many places in the world would have had cameras pointing up, do you think? HD cameras weren't commonplace in 2001. How would you gather critic worthy footage on a low res fisheye camera on an object moving at around 500mph? What would have been the point? 85 cameras in total with the admittedly dubious footage. But what about all the eyewitnesses? The crash debris? The statements from first responders? The recordings from air traffic control? The data from the flight recorder? How many smartphones were available in 2001? Why throw out all the other evidence? Another link but I can't understand why the focus is on this one detail when the rest of it was literally scattered around the field. Complete with body parts and airline uniforms. No need for cameras to be pointed up, I was under the impression it never nose dived into the pentagon, whatever hit the pentagon hit the wall face on so it must have been low for quite a way out. Plenty of clear footage on the twin towers from cctv, all images that day were not high resolution tv cameras. Just find it hard to believe that no clear cctv footage was available from one of the highest military insallations in the world, restaurants and offices around the twin towers seem to have better cctv than the pentagon, unless of course the twin tower jets were flying a lot slower than the pentagon ones eh? Don't know exactly what happened, but the idea of no definitive cctv from that location is bollocks. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 Maybe the clue is it was the pentagon. High security top secret installation.they spooks are kinda funny when it comes to prying eyes. The question is what reason would they have to hit the pentagon If they orchestrated 9/11 on the pretence to start wars wasn't the towers enough of an excuse. Why attack an installation they would need unscathed in there upcoming wars.also the pentagon being hit was a bit of an embarrassing act no. Shows there state of the art building housing there war machine was as vulnerable as a business building. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 11 minutes ago, delswal said: Don't know exactly what happened, but the idea of no definitive cctv from that location is bollocks. Fair comments. Let's just say that there is some clandestine conspiracy to withhold the CCTV footage. (I don't believe there is by the way - Hanlon's Razor) What about the hundreds of eyewitnesses. The footage of the wreckage. The reports from the first responders and structural engineers. The body parts, luggage, personal items, and airline uniforms collected at the scene. The air traffic control reports that kept in touch with it up to the impact and the recording devices recovered from the scene? What about that evidence that is the foundation of the official story? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 8 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: Fair comments. Let's just say that there is some clandestine conspiracy to withhold the CCTV footage. (I don't believe there is by the way - Hanlon's Razor) What about the hundreds of eyewitnesses. The footage of the wreckage. The reports from the first responders and structural engineers. The body parts, luggage, personal items, and airline uniforms collected at the scene. The air traffic control reports that kept in touch with it up to the impact and the recording devices recovered from the scene? What about that evidence that is the foundation of the official story? Oh come on that's just all lies all these people were in on the act. Even the family members who spoke there last words to their life loved ones on the planes. After all the conspiracy guys will tell you phones don't work up there. Yea I read that wee beauty. Personally I have always thought it very distasteful and a slap in the face to all those who perished and those affected all this conspiracy stuff. But that's just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted March 4, 2018 Report Share Posted March 4, 2018 5 minutes ago, scothunter said: Personally I have always thought it very distasteful and a slap in the face to all those who perished and those affected all this conspiracy stuff. But that's just my opinion. I tend to agree and if it was just the CCTV footage I'd tend to refrain from further comment... but there's literally tonnes of other evidence of a plane crash! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delboy_187 904 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 who carried out all the investigations I presume fbi cia what ever the fcuk there all American orginisations ?..the people asking the questioning the attack are all independent Americans and people across the world ... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,182 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 On 03/03/2018 at 12:35, Born Hunter said: Very cool and moving place to visit. Wish I could post videos. Ground zero is Honestly one of the most moving and emotionally charged places I have visited. the museum built around the original foundations and filled with many recovered pieces was a very heavy few hours, then going up the new trade centre showed the progress made... after visiting I could never buy into conspiracy theories, it would feel like disrespecting those who died... it was a terror site attack in my mind, perhaps that just sits best with me 3 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
EDDIE B 3,166 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Ground zero is Honestly one of the most moving and emotionally charged places I have visited. the museum built around the original foundations and filled with many recovered pieces was a very heavy few hours, then going up the new trade centre showed the progress made... after visiting I could never buy into conspiracy theories, it would feel like disrespecting those who died... it was a terror site attack in my mind, perhaps that just sits best with me It honestly felt the opposite when I visited it some years ago. Nothing pretty there that time though. Just lumps of steel and concrete. Doesn't mean I didn't have respect for those who died, or their family's. Far from it! I remember saying to myself, "how could America let this happen to their own people". Might be a stupid thing to say or think, but that's just how I felt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, NEWKID said: Ground zero is Honestly one of the most moving and emotionally charged places I have visited. the museum built around the original foundations and filled with many recovered pieces was a very heavy few hours, then going up the new trade centre showed the progress made... after visiting I could never buy into conspiracy theories, it would feel like disrespecting those who died... it was a terror site attack in my mind, perhaps that just sits best with me Indeed. Though I wouldn’t let all that cloud my objectivity. I should have taken loads more photos and videos. As I’m sure you can remember one area photos are banned. As tempting as it was to sneak some, it’s a very respectful place. 2 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) One thing that struck me was the amount of firemen killed that day. About 3000 people dead in total of which over 300 were firefighters! There was a veteran in the museum who told the story of a fire chief who forgot his helmet that day. The helmet I posted earlier. I’ll try to find the account. Edit: This, Edited March 5, 2018 by Born Hunter Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,775 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 The fella telling the story when I was there did it better than that one. He had a proper New York twang and really explained the significance of Ladder Company 3 in the NYFD community and the symbolic importance of a Captains hat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
NEWKID 27,182 Posted March 5, 2018 Report Share Posted March 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Born Hunter said: Indeed. Though I wouldn’t let all that cloud my objectivity. I should have taken loads more photos and videos. As I’m sure you can remember one area photos are banned. As tempting as it was to sneak some, it’s a very respectful place. Not so much clouding my objectivity mate, more everything I saw with my own eyes, from the planes hitting to the day walking around the museum and everything I have read since, has not swayed my opinion it was a terrorist attack... I know people always want a different slant, something more "juicy" to feed on... but it feels completely wrong to me on those that died... just my own thought process mate 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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