Strange find

[EDDIE B 3,166]

4 minutes ago, Ted Newgent said:

I posted the laughing symbol as if i would of posted the queens jubilee newspaper the debate wouldnt if gone 7 pages

i find that funny

you obviously dont see the funny side

as for the people who died that was a very sad day for humanity 

 

That was for me Ted lol

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

2 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

That was for me Ted lol

Ah well

we should ban laughing emojis 

to prevent further confusion 

[scothunter 12,609]

10 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

Here's one I've seen on a few documentaries but not sure if it's all bollix or not. Is it true that all US senators were emailed on the morning of 9/11 not to fly on that day? 

Dont know about That mate. 

If i was to hazard a guess id say bollocks.

[sandymere 8,263]

Some reading for the conspiracy theorists 

 

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11

 

[CushtyJook 1,097]

1 hour ago, dave88 said:

So it must have been the aliens then...you don't really come across as someone who believes all this conspiracy bollocks cushty

 

Edit: are you also saying that none of those terror organisations you listed ever existed? 

No your not hearing me right sorry yes they exist but the names created are by our media it's all the same group gave diffrent names plus not a conspiracy theorist but 911 is for me 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

Can you show any OFFICIAL reports that there wasn't one found please?

I think it's common knowledge that government run news channels have stated that a passport was found. The US government controls what info, true or false, is broadcast on these platforms. Just like the "weapons of mass destruction" for example.

Eddie, you brought up passports in the beginning with nothing other than a statement. What relevance does this passport have to the story and how does it support conspiracy?

Lots of personal effects were found from flights 77 and 93 that weren't completely vaporized in the explosions.

These photos show the debris strewn around. The passport was found on the street according to the guy that handed it into the NYPD, and that is public record but why is that so hard to believe when you can look at those photos and see the amount of debris and even plane contents on the pavement.

Look at all the paper strewn around. You can click that picture and enlarge it to see a lot of detail.

Is it a stretch that a passport survived?

Why would they plant a passport? What would this achieve that flying two planes into a building didn't?

2 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

So the passports and belongings survived, but the black box's didn't! 

Black boxes survived from Flight 77 and 93. The two from the WTC were alleged to be buried in the rubble.

How indestructible do you believe these boxes are?

Why would the new world order go to the lengths of hiding two black boxes whilst simultaneously offering the surviving information from the other two flights into the public domain?

2 hours ago, EDDIE B said:

Those papers etc had to survive an inferno though. The plane inferno, and then the building inferno. I juse don't buy it. You only know what you were told. Whether you read it, watched it, or was told it. All I can do is take your word for it or not. 

When the Columbia space shuttle disintegrated on it's re-entry to earth it scattered its wreckage over a wide area. There were many experiments still intact including a canister of live worms.

WTF has that got to do with it, Chris?

Well the inferno, through a plane inferno, and into a building inferno left plenty of stuff intact and much more only slightly damaged. That too is a matter of public record. NYT reported that mail was recovered from one of the flights additionally.

Ironically you could use the Columbia example of a conspiracy that we never went into space at all! Such is the fickle nature of the conspiracy!

1 hour ago, EDDIE B said:

Here's one I've seen on a few documentaries but not sure if it's all bollix or not. Is it true that all US senators were emailed on the morning of 9/11 not to fly on that day? 

I don't know. Do you have any evidence that they were informed beforehand? Does this documentary provide researchable sources for this evidence?

I'm willing to change my viewpoint on any of these points providing that evidence is provided and that the quality of the evidence isn't in dispute. I'm more than willing to remain openminded on the subject but there hasn't been anything that points to conspiracy under any kind of scrutiny.

What level of evidence needs to be provided to sway those that don't believe?

Edited March 4, 2018 by ChrisJones
Clarity

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 hours ago, Ted Newgent said:

I posted the laughing symbol as if i would of posted the queens jubilee newspaper the debate wouldnt if gone 7 pages

i find that funny

you obviously dont see the funny side

as for the people who died that was a very sad day for humanity 

 

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Sure it would! REPUBLIC!!

Edited March 4, 2018 by ChrisJones

[jiggy 3,209]

Was it true? Or an urban legend that one or two people were in the higher up floors when one of the towers collapsed and they survived with minor injuries!

[ChrisJones 7,975]

4 hours ago, Lukeluke said:

Hey mate, can you show any OFFICIAL reports of passports being found please? 

With pleasure.

This is from the Staff Statement segment of the 9/11 Commission Report.

Staff Statements Menu can be found here.

You're looking for the Monograph on 9/11 and Terrorist Travel.  It's under Chronology. Page 21 with annotations on page 40.

Told you it was a quiet Sunday!

 

 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

3 minutes ago, jiggy said:

Was it true? Or an urban legend that one or two people were in the higher up floors when one of the towers collapsed and they survived with minor injuries!

There are four documented survivors that were on the floors above the strike. All four from the south tower. Brian Clark survived the impact but was able to leave before the towers collapsed, he later testified at the 9/11 Commission. Not sure if anyone survived the collapse but if they did I hope they bought lottery tickets.

 

[jiggy 3,209]

23 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

There are four documented survivors that were on the floors above the strike. All four from the south tower. Brian Clark survived the impact but was able to leave before the towers collapsed, he later testified at the 9/11 Commission. Not sure if anyone survived the collapse but if they did I hope they bought lottery tickets.

 

Just read one guy was on 22nd floor and surfed down 15 floors on a piece of concrete and landed on a ledge around 7th floor. There was 15 or 16 others on lower floors in a stairwell when the building collapsed they could see the sky.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/september-11-attacks/9530013/911-survivor-tells-how-he-surfed-15-floors-down-the-collapsing-tower.html

[EDDIE B 3,166]

1 hour ago, ChrisJones said:

Eddie, you brought up passports in the beginning with nothing other than a statement. What relevance does this passport have to the story and how does it support conspiracy?

Lots of personal effects were found from flights 77 and 93 that weren't completely vaporized in the explosions.

These photos show the debris strewn around. The passport was found on the street according to the guy that handed it into the NYPD, and that is public record but why is that so hard to believe when you can look at those photos and see the amount of debris and even plane contents on the pavement.

Look at all the paper strewn around. You can click that picture and enlarge it to see a lot of detail.

Is it a stretch that a passport survived?

Why would they plant a passport? What would this achieve that flying two planes into a building didn't?

Black boxes survived from Flight 77 and 93. The two from the WTC were alleged to be buried in the rubble.

How indestructible do you believe these boxes are?

Why would the new world order go to the lengths of hiding two black boxes whilst simultaneously offering the surviving information from the other two flights into the public domain?

When the Columbia space shuttle disintegrated on it's re-entry to earth it scattered its wreckage over a wide area. There were many experiments still intact including a canister of live worms.

WTF has that got to do with it, Chris?

Well the inferno, through a plane inferno, and into a building inferno left plenty of stuff intact and much more only slightly damaged. That too is a matter of public record. NYT reported that mail was recovered from one of the flights additionally.

Ironically you could use the Columbia example of a conspiracy that we never went into space at all! Such is the fickle nature of the conspiracy!

I don't know. Do you have any evidence that they were informed beforehand? Does this documentary provide researchable sources for this evidence?

I'm willing to change my viewpoint on any of these points providing that evidence is provided and that the quality of the evidence isn't in dispute. I'm more than willing to remain openminded on the subject but there hasn't been anything that points to conspiracy under any kind of scrutiny.

What level of evidence needs to be provided to sway those that don't believe?

Chris I understand everything your saying, and I don't believe all conspiracy theories. Far from it. But some things just dont sit right with me, and I can't ignore that. 

[ChrisJones 7,975]

2 minutes ago, EDDIE B said:

Far from it. But some things just dont sit right with me, and I can't ignore that.

That's fine, mate and I'm not trying to belittle yours or anyone else's opinion. I'm just weighing up evidence and narrative. Keeping what works and throwing out what doesn't. It's certainly not neat and tidy by any stretch but until anything landmark comes through I'm siding with the evidence.

[delswal 3,819]

15 hours ago, ChrisJones said:

Okay, I'll bite as it's a quiet Sunday morning!

First of all, it was 757. Not a 747. The hole was 75ft not 40, with a further 12 ft hole caused by the plane's landing gear.The plane sheared off one wing on the ground before it didn't punch it's cartoon style 'plane hole' in the side of the Pentagon, which is a reinforced concrete building. The other was sheared off by the Pentagon's support columns as it pierced the building. The Pentagon is a well-hardened military facility which explains why a lot of the windows were left intact. They're blast resistant. The damage caused is pretty consistent with how actual experts in structural engineering have explained it multiple time since the tragedy happened.

Also, how do you explain away the wreckage of flight 77 as it was scattered all over the place? How do you explain the testimonies of the hundreds of Pentagon employees? Rescue workers who recovered the body parts and held airline uniforms? Reporters? Millions of people that watched it live on TV?

How about the transcripts from air traffic controllers who were communicating with the plane right up to the crash and the data from the flight data recorder that shows the tragedy in graph form?

As I said a little earlier in the thread there is more than enough compelling evidence to explain what happened if you're willing to look at it. However, if you still believe in the conspiracy then it's doubtful that any evidence would convince you otherwise...

You can clearly see bits of UA livery... Or it's a missile depending on your viewpoint.

Question for you. Do you have any evidence that it wasn't played out the way they say it was?

Is there any actual evidence of a conspiracy or is it just you're not willing to look at the information that doesn't fit your narrative?

Is there any actual evidence that it wasn't perpetrated by aliens? I mean we all watched the planes fly into the WTC live on television I suppose it could have been a holographic projector!

Seriously though Popular Mechanics have done a wonderful series of articles explaining how it went down using the evidence and actual experts in their respective fields. But science though, right? It's never true if it doesn't fit the narrative! I mean why listen to those pesky scientists when you can see it clearly with your own eyes!

I honestly don't know that one but out of curiosity even if everything you say here was true how does it change all the evidence from 9/11?

Whether he was dumped at sea. Shot into space. Died in the cave from kidney failure or even sh*t out of a camel. It doesn't change what happened on 9/11.

For a conspiracy this big, involving these many people, to endure for so long without a single insider coming out and blowing the whistle simply isn't possible. The whole thing would have collapsed on itself in months. That can only leave us with one remaining possibility...

 

Not wanting to get embroiled into something that mere mortals like ourselves could prove or not prove, but surely the Pentagon would have footage of the plane approaching on cctv, I am under no illusion that the security around that place will be second to none. You have multiple images of the twin towers getting hit from all angles, but not one from the nerve centre of one of the most powerful nations on the planet. Maybe all the security cameras were getting serviced that day? Or no members of the public were aware of any low flying passenger jets that day or maybe the ones that did see the jets had no smart phones to record the incident.

No valid answer to my knowledge has ever been given as to why the incident had never been recorded, feck me you cannot go into a Macdonalds without being recorded but you can attack the Pentagon? Strange old place is the US of A.

[scothunter 12,609]

Weird unexplained stuff happens.

You have heard of shit like the guy who was knocked down and killed by a taxi. Then 5 years later the brother big the guy was knocked down and killed back street away by the same taxi

Lots of stuff that makes you think WOW 

Far out coincidences and unbelievable stuff happen