when experienced terrier lads pass away.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Im' actually very easy going mate but I don't take bullshit lightly nor do I like being shit on .

[Bryan 1,362]

On 04/03/2018 at 11:07, foxdropper said:

Maybe I'm just complacent but at the age of 52 I aint needing to learn much more nor have I in the last 20 years .I was lucky in the the chap I first went out with was as laid back as I am about the whole deal .No need to run about with the box ,no need to listen at holes and no need for needless talk. Dig the hole to match the depth and try to break through just behind the dog .Backfill tube behind dog  if animal is to be despatched .This is where I've seen things go from bad to worse. 

I know in the last 20 years I've starting using Avalache locators instead of the grey deben boxes, the sharptooth fork is a very handy tool. I'm also using anti inflammatories and pain killers like Rimadyl now, where as 20 years ago I didn't.

 

Reading your post you give the impression you haven't progressed in 20 years.

 

I don't believe you 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

7 hours ago, Bryan said:

I know in the last 20 years I've starting using Avalache locators instead of the grey deben boxes, the sharptooth fork is a very handy tool. I'm also using anti inflammatories and pain killers like Rimadyl now, where as 20 years ago I didn't.

 

Reading your post you give the impression you haven't progressed in 20 years.

 

I don't believe you 

Drugs for dogs for dogs been about longer than you or I mate and of course I've used them. I progressed with the times but but never  got complacent enough to forget the basics. I use the bellman red box but always without fail try to find the dog without it and I'm not usually far wrong .Moving with times is different to learning the hard basic rules and practicing what you preach .Even non sounders can be found with practice providing the winds not too fierce .What was meant probably was that everything us second nature now and nothing much  phases me .

[rob284 1,682]

On 3/9/2018 at 15:51, foxdropper said:

Drugs for dogs for dogs been about longer than you or I mate and of course I've used them. I progressed with the times but but never  got complacent enough to forget the basics. I use the bellman red box but always without fail try to find the dog without it and I'm not usually far wrong .Moving with times is different to learning the hard basic rules and practicing what you preach .Even non sounders can be found with practice providing the winds not too fierce .What was meant probably was that everything us second nature now and nothing much  phases me .

Never had a dog thats needed antibiotics to recover. A thorough cleaning is all thats needed and theyre grand for the next outing.

[Lozzer 237]

12 minutes ago, rob284 said:

Never had a dog thats needed antibiotics to recover. A thorough cleaning is all thats needed and theyre grand for the next outing.

People on here said that,  and not just here too . But I've found I've had to resort to it and the delay  is the same; need it . And I'd be cleaning up properly.  And I also know you should only use it if really necessary.  I had my dog to the vet last week and before then this year and to be given antibiotics and treated when necessary and this only from fox bites or I know the dog wouldn’tof made it even though it strong dog in them ways 

[rob284 1,682]

1 hour ago, Lozzer said:

People on here said that,  and not just here too . But I've found I've had to resort to it and the delay  is the same; need it . And I'd be cleaning up properly.  And I also know you should only use it if really necessary.  I had my dog to the vet last week and before then this year and to be given antibiotics and treated when necessary and this only from fox bites or I know the dog wouldn’tof made it even though it strong dog in them ways 

 

[ziggy 619]

As from a early say 15 I went with 2 old fellas the crack an banter was unreal ... when we got to an earth ther was no rush  .. locator was put on the dog an in it would go..then the flask and butties would come out ..is be cheaking with the box looking for the dog an they be laffing at saying leave the dog to settle.. some times they give the dog an hour to settle before digging...they were never in a rush..when I watched them dig it was steady away but they got down in no time as the shovels were massive the thickness off the shovels shafts was like scaffold tubes... god they were heavy with a heap of soil on them ... but what I learnt the most of the two older fellas was the care they gave the dogs at the end of a dig...as the dog was lifted from the dig and every thing backfilled.. they would clean the dog up an give the dog exactly what the dog need in pain killers ..antiinflamatrys or antibiotic s ... they would make sure the dog had a good drink of water ..all of this would be done on every dig before we got to the next place or before we went home.... they took a lot of pride in ther dogs... seeing what they did for the dogs that day rubed off on me an till this day I do the same as the old boys did with ther dogs with the cleaning of dogs after ever time they are to ground ... 

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

11 hours ago, rob284 said:

Never had a dog thats needed antibiotics to recover. A thorough cleaning is all thats needed and theyre grand for the next outing.

You'e lucky Rob .Im' the first to say antibiotics are never the first thing to reach for but on occasion they have been needed .Go to any vet and they dish them out like sweets for the slightest cut. They have a place when things arnt healing so good  but never as a preventative .  

[neil cooney 10,416]

I've never given a terrier painkillers, never needed to, but I've had a few terriers that have made me take painkillers.

[ziggy 619]

You never had a terrier neil with its head down end of the day head swollen looking sorryfull.. 

[neil cooney 10,416]

36 minutes ago, ziggy said:

You never had a terrier neil with its head down end of the day head swollen looking sorryfull.. 

If I hadn't then I wouldn't be keeping terriers to long, but I've never given any dog a painkiller. Bring them home, wash every thing that needs washing and if antibiotics are necessary (I agree with the lads who say they're over used) and a good warm bed (beside the fire if need be) and a belly full of grub and if that terrier eats up I know everything is OK. I've never even considered painkillers.

One thing I've always taken very very serious in terriers is constitution. If one of my terriers had a body draining gruller of a dig after a good feed and a good nights sleep I would expect that terrier to be at it's kennel door the next morning looking for a walk. No matter how hard the day before had been. Nor do I like terriers who go into shock no matter what.

To me if terriers always sulked for days after a dig then not only would I question that terriers heart but I'd also question is it cruel to work them. I don't see that though and because I either release or shoot my quarry and keep terriers with the constitution of a camel I know that everything is 100% sporting and proper.

JMHO.

[Squirrel_Basher 17,100]

Good point Neil ,constitution is very important but must not be confused with age .The more a dog does when younger,the faster it tells on the body later, same with us .

[Bryan 1,362]

On 3/11/2018 at 16:09, neil cooney said:

I've never given a terrier painkillers, never needed to, but I've had a few terriers that have made me take painkillers.

 

You've never needed a pint, but I'd bet you've appreciated one or two after a days hunting.

 

Don't confuse not needing with not benefiting. 

 

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

Totally agree with that Bryan

[fat man 4,741]

I reckon pain killers are a great job when a terrier has taken a bit. When you think about it if you had for instance a toothache first thing apart from a dentist is painkillers so what's the difference to dogs and IMO it helps to get them eating quicker.