Another school shooting in America

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43135584

 

like this will make a difference.

this is probably the minimum he can do,just because.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

27 minutes ago, Ted Newgent said:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43135584

 

like this will make a difference.

this is probably the minimum he can do,just because.

It'll be interesting to see how this one plays out. The ATF already stated in October 2017 that wouldn't re-classify bump stocks and want to see new legislation. It's also interesting as this doesn't address any other shootings than the one in Las Vegas.

What old Don has done is set himself up for criticism from his fan base and in an election year too. Saying that they're worried that inaction will hurt them and this is essentially a sacrifice to the voters. I expect this to get tied up with the constitutional lawyers especially as the ATF have already ruled that they're fine.

[ChrisJones 7,975]

To add, the state of Massachusetts has banned bump stocks in the wake of the Las Vegas shooting. The ban came in on February 1st. Despite it now being a felony to possess one only four people have handed them to police since the ban came into force.

Back to what do we do with all the ones in circulation?

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

And florida replies with this

found the link now on PC

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/us/florida-legislature-weapons-ban/index.html

 

Edited February 21, 2018 by Ted Newgent

[WILF 47,596]

2 more young men stabbed to death in London last night.......15 so far THIS YEAR !

 

Edited February 21, 2018 by WILF

[Meece 1,958]

additional police patrols were sent to Camden overnight and a Section 60 order authorised across the borough until 07:00.

 "urgent inquiries are under way to establish the full circumstances".

Fifteen people have been stabbed to death in London since the start of 2018.

It gives a new twist to the song 》》》 young gifted and black. Still the police are doing their best. Perhaps someone should offer a nice cup of tea! That ùsually helps.

[WILF 47,596]

Surely a compelling case to ban mass ownership of knives or everyone should be subject to rigorous background checks and mental health assessment before you can buy that dinner service for your mates wedding gift? 

 

[Born Hunter 17,809]

22 minutes ago, WILF said:

Surely a compelling case to ban mass ownership of knives or everyone should be subject to rigorous background checks and mental health assessment before you can buy that dinner service for your mates wedding gift? 

 

Just 'assault knives' to begin with though. Because if you arbitrarily stick 'assault' in front of something then it clearly makes it worse.

The loons obviously won't either obtain their assault knives via illegal means or simply use a 12" carving knife out the kitchen. Which we'll of course have to ban next, but don't tell anyone like or this agenda don't work.

[Meece 1,958]

Don't  forget to add axes, chain saws, broken bottles and the odd discarded tooth brush. If I find a rusty discarded Stanley knife blade I càn heat it up and melt it into the toothbrush and make a knife out of it. Or would this be classified as a biological hazard weàpon

[Born Hunter 17,809]

f**k me! Is this really from the BBC? 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43118865

[mackem 27,500]

Different mindset 21 shootings but the arrow gets the headline 

New Orleans police say man critically injured by an arrow

Posted: Feb 19, 2018 4:31 PM GST Updated: Feb 19, 2018 4:31 PM GST

 

 

NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Police in New Orleans say a man was critically injured after being hit in the chest with an arrow.

NOLA.com/The Times-Picayune reports the 51-year-old man was found early Monday in the Lower 9th Ward. New Orleans police said the man was wounded by an arrow, but did not release further information regarding how the injury happened.

Police said the man was taken to a hospital where he was listed in critical condition Monday.

The arrow injury followed a violent Mardi Gras week in New Orleans, where police said 21 people had been hurt by gunfire as of Sunday night. That includes two people who were shot along parade routes.

 

Information from: The Times-Picayune, http://www.nola.com

[Ted Newgent 4,896]

Holy shit

news just out there was an armed guard at the parkland school when that shooting took place

he didn't confront the shooter

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/stoneman-douglas-shooting-armed-guard-did-not-go-in

 

[mackem 27,500]

As Gunman Rampaged Through Florida School, Armed Deputy ‘Never Went In’

FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. — The only armed sheriff’s deputy at a Florida high school where 17 people were killed took cover outside rather than charging into the building when the massacre began, the Broward County sheriff said on Thursday. The sheriff also acknowledged that his office received 23 calls related to the suspect going back a decade, including one last year that said he was collecting knives and guns, but may not have adequately followed up.

The deputy, Scot Peterson, resigned on Thursday after being suspended without pay after Sheriff Scott Israel reviewed surveillance video.

“He never went in,” Sheriff Israel said in a news conference. He said the video showed Deputy Peterson doing “nothing.”

“There are

Two other deputies were placed on restricted duty on Thursday because they may have mishandled tips called in to the sheriff’s office over the past two years warning that the suspect, Nikolas Cruz, appeared intent on becoming a school shooter, Sheriff Israel said.

The revelations added to a growing list of failures and missed signs by the authorities that might have helped prevent one of the deadliest school shootings in American history.

The F.B.I. received a tip last month from someone close to Mr. Cruz that he owned a gun and had talked of committing a school shooting, the bureau revealed last week, acknowledging that it had failed to investigate. The tip about Mr. Cruz appeared to be the second in four months, after another person told the bureau about an online comment apparently posted by Mr. Cruz that he wanted to become “a professional school shooter.”

The Florida Department of Children and Families, the state social services agency, looked into Mr. Cruz’s well-being in 2016 after he posted on social media that he was cutting himself, but investigators determined he was not at risk of harming himself or others. The Broward County Public Schools had disciplinary complaints on Mr. Cruz dating back to when he was in middle school, including a long history of fighting.

no words,” said Sheriff Israel, who described himself as “devastated, sick to my stomach.”

Sheriff Israel said he informed Deputy Peterson on Thursday that he was being suspended without pay and placed under internal investigation. At 12:37 p.m. on Thursday, sheriff’s office records show, Deputy Peterson, signed his retirement papers, which amounted to a resignation. He had been with the office for more than 32 years.

“The investigation will continue,” Sheriff Israel said.

The surveillance video, which was not released, showed Deputy Peterson remained outside the west side of the building for at least four minutes while the gunman was inside, according to Sheriff Israel. The shooting rampage at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School lasted less than six minutes. The video was corroborated by witness statements, Sheriff Israel said.

The New York Times reported on Wednesday that an officer from the Coral Springs Police Department who responded to the shooting had seen Deputy Peterson in a Stoneman Douglas High parking lot. The deputy “was seeking cover behind a concrete column leading to a stairwell,” Officer Tim Burton said.

In the chaos immediately after the shooting, there were other missteps. A 20-minute delay in school surveillance video confused Coral Springs police officers trying to find the gunman, said Chief Tony Pustizzi. By then, the suspect had already left the building.

Chief Pustizzi called it a communications failure. The video system allows for real-time playback

“At first the guys are hearing, ‘Oh, he’s on the second floor.’ Well, it’s not true, ’cause we have people on the second floor and the people are saying, ‘Well, he’s not on the second floor,’ ” Chief Pustizzi said, adding that, if anything, the officers were “more expeditious” as they moved through the school under the belief the gunman was still there.

Coral Springs police have said they were the first to respond to the shooting. Sheriff Israel, who defended his office’s response on Wednesday and said his own deputies had not hung back outside the building, said on Thursday that the Coral Springs officers acted “heroically.”

Samantha Fuentes, an 18-year-old senior at Stoneman Douglas High who was shot in both legs, said she never saw Deputy Peterson during the “30 minutes” that passed before SWAT officers arrived at the first-floor classroom in which she and other students had been taking a class.

“He is not someone who has much of a presence” in the school, she said.

Sheriff Israel, flanked by two of his top aides, appeared emotional Thursday during the news conference in which he described Deputy Peterson’s conduct. His eyes appeared to glisten, and his speech was sometimes halting.

The two other deputies placed on restricted duty pending an internal investigation were identified by the sheriff’s office as Edward Eason and Guntis Treijs.

In November 2017, a caller told the authorities that Mr. Cruz had been stockpiling guns and knives. In a summary of the call, the sheriff’s office said the caller, located in Massachusetts, worried that Mr. Cruz “will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making.” A deputy contacted the person who called, but no report was filed. The caller was referred to the sheriff’s office in Palm Beach County, where the caller said Mr. Cruz lived.

In February 2016, the sheriff’s office received what it described as “thirdhand information” that Mr. Cruz “planned to shoot up the school” and had posted a picture on Instagram of a “juvenile with guns.” A deputy determined that Mr. Cruz had knives and a BB gun and forwarded the information to the school resource officer at Stoneman Douglas High. That was Deputy Peterson.

Some of the other calls reveal further details about Mr. Cruz’s troubled childhood. In November 2014, someone reported that a person fitting Mr. Cruz’s description shot a chicken with a possible BB gun. Mr. Cruz was found to own an airsoft rifle, which he admitted to using, but denied he shot chickens.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/as-gunman-rampaged-through-florida-school-armed-deputy-‘never-went-in’/ar-BBJua0g?ocid=spartanntp

 

[Born Hunter 17,809]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_resource_officer

Not sure how much training, selection or experience one of these SROs has but it sounds like it wasn't enough for this one.

What I did find interesting is that the shooting lasted 6 minutes (as is typical of a active shooter incident) and the SRO was allegedly on the scene within 90s. Had he engaged and stopped the shooter how many lives would he have protected?

I think at this stage it's unfair to judge the fella, it's all speculation. The authorities need to know why he was ineffective and work to correct that for the future.

[Born Hunter 17,809]

3 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said:

I'm judging him. Apparently the rule is in an active school shooting enter immediately not to wait for back up.  This coward done nothing. 

Your feelings are totally understandable. Yeah I read that too, since the onslaught of these terrible mass shootings LE procedures changed from 'wait for SWAT' to 'kill the b*****d asap'.

It sounds like the SRO was near retirement having served for 32yrs and now taken early retirement. He may have had a heart condition for all I know, he may have bottled it, I don't know. Whatever happened needs assessing and corrective action needs taking. If that means only recruiting from combat proven vet's or time served LEOs, having an age limit, improving selection and training, deploying them in pairs, arming them with ARs etc then so be it but it needs looking at and improving!