kanny 20,650 Posted February 1, 2018 Report Share Posted February 1, 2018 6 hours ago, Greyman said: Buying them is,nt the problem, they just are,nt very discreet to carry around, and everyone can't wait to phone the police in this country, but were there's a will there's a way I had a mate who put a homemade kebab skewer bolt fired out a black widow straight through his hand he pulled it back to far ....kids will be kids eh Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meece 1,958 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Unfortunately this sort of vision was very common back when. It's what put bow hunting out of the frame. ThE General public didn't like to see Birds and animals wandering around with injuries and gangrene ect. You'd think that the tip on this arrow would do the business but it is a goose and not a deer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Meece 1,958 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, mackem said: Guys called tim wells,incredible archer,nowadays he prefers to hunt with spears and blowguns,try and find the footage where he spears himself and thinks he is dying under a tree alone in Africa. I round the video clip but it didn't link over. The man is a nutter. Just wanting to kill himself. Looking at his video's should imagine that 90% of the animals that he spears and bow shoots disappears into the Bush never to be Seen again and to die a pretty horrible death. Edited February 2, 2018 by Meece Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 7 hours ago, Meece said: I round the video clip but it didn't link over. The man is a nutter. Just wanting to kill himself. Looking at his video's should imagine that 90% of the animals that he spears and bow shoots disappears into the Bush never to be Seen again and to die a pretty horrible death. No mate,he has African trackers,they find them PDQ look at the wounds on the animals,they don't go far.That Canada goose was hit with a standard field tip,with a light draw bow,all the injured animals I have seen on TV here weren't hit with anything other than field tips,nutters thinking they can drop something with one shot from a light draw weight recurve as that's the cheapest most commonly used bow in this country.Hit something as small as a Canada goose with the right equipment and its the end.Its like some people with a light ft lbs airgun trying for a 40 yard rabbit,use the right equipment. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 12 hours ago, Meece said: It was all a situation of accuracy and power. It might be ok to shoot a deer out in the wilds of America or Canada which might take a long time to bleed out and keel over but it wouldn't go down well in this crowded island. Dead is dead but it has to be quick and humane and an arrow doesn't fit the pattern. Why? A well placed arrow kills as quick as a well placed bullet. The only exception being head shots and if you can induce hydrostatic shock. The UK isn't as crowded as you think it is. Fact is a badly shot deer doesn't wander into your garden or into town etc. It bimbbles off and lays up in cover in a quiet corner to eventually die. Most folks that see injured deer are either the ones that caused it or rural professional (farmers and keepers). The argument that the UK isn't the right place imo is weak when properly interrogated. IMO the UK is well suited to a regulated form of modern bow hunting and the arguments used against it can easily be used against other forms of shooting sports. 6 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 4 hours ago, Born Hunter said: the arguments used against it can easily be used against other forms of shooting sports. Immediate example that springs to mind is airgun hunting,loads of animals wandering around with pellets in them from rabbits to cats even skinned a fox years ago with an airgun pellet just under the skin,but they aren't as visible as an arrow shaft 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,716 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 I can fill my freezer after an evening walk around the local shoots when all the guns have gone home, but as you say it's not visible to most so it don't matter, unlike a swan swimming round a local park with 2ft of arrow sticking out its back 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Yup,now and again but rarely to be honest the media show a swan with an arrow,like this one,once again its a field tip and light draw,but look up the numbers of swans killed or injured by airgunners,the numbers are huge,i live near The Swan Sanctuary,its a wildlife hospital in surrey,I spoke to their "Ambulance" driver once,he told me airgun injured swans are weekly admittances,but as the pellets aren't visible till the birds are X-rayed then its out of site out of mind,airguns are far more likely to be used by muppets than bows,but a nice arrow shaft draws the attention. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Agreed gents. What I will add is that we have all seen images of critters wandering about with a crossbow bolt in them and that is often used against bowhunting..... well, that crossbow bolt will almost certainly have had a fieldpoint on it! In reality all legitimate bowhunting would be carried out with either fixed or mechanical broadheads. The argument is simply invalid. Not many deer last long with one of those slicing up their internals. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,716 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Born Hunter said: Agreed gents. What I will add is that we have all seen images of critters wandering about with a crossbow bolt in them and that is often used against bowhunting..... well, that crossbow bolt will almost certainly have had a fieldpoint on it! In reality all legitimate bowhunting would be carried out with either fixed or mechanical broadheads. The argument is simply invalid. Not many deer last long with one of those slicing up their internals. Totally agree only way to get proper tips is to make them yourself, those things they shoot the turkeys heads clean off with are like scalpels, doubt even a swan would take that and they think they are rock hard 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,716 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Bet he was,nt hard to track, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 4-blade broadhead,the right equipment for the right job,same with anything in life.(Even though the guys whoops of jubilation are a tad OTT). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 26,918 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, W. Katchum said: What are them tips they guys where using with three prongs in front?? Gobbler guillotines,come in 3 or 4 blade models. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted February 2, 2018 Report Share Posted February 2, 2018 Worth watching from the beginning if you have time. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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