D.I.Y policing,the rise of online vigilantes.

[Waz 4,274]

9 minutes ago, dave88 said:

In the UK protecting yourself is a bloody crime in itself

you could probably be arrested for thinking that, let alone saying..

[scothunter 12,609]

11 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Chris's comment on attitudes is something that is fairly well noted and you probably didn't realise it but your comment on guns is a classic example. In the UK we want the government to do everything for us in exchange for payment (tax), in the US they want the government to provide them with the minimum necessary to sort their own shit out on an individual and community level. That IS half the reason they hold 2A so dearly, it is their ability to protect themselves, they don't want to have to rely on the government to do that.

Lol knew you would be on that comment like a pigeon on a chip.

Yea forgot America is the land of milk and honey and top class citizens  and were just backward Brits eh. 

This the same great nation who left the bodies and people to fester in new Orleans during Katrina. 

There third world countries that handle disaster's better than they did. 

But yea you're right born they definitely left the people of new Orleans to help themselves lol

 

[Born Hunter 17,820]

Personally I wouldn't trust one of these 'vigilantes' that operates so publicly as far as I could throw them. What we're talking about here isn't full on Dark Knight vigilantism, it's the more legal kind of private and voluntary police force, the trial and sentencing is still done by the justice system. The problem I have with it is they do their investigation, then confront the accused all on video shouting and raving in the street, post it all over FB  and hand their collection of evidence to the police for due process/trial etc. The public, through FB, immediately label the accused a paedophile, no "let the fella have his trial", just "this is where the paedo lives! No 8 on Main Rd" with a picture of their house.... It's a f***ing outrageous abuse of justice!

This I have seen first hand, the whole process, on a lad from the village I am from. The mob is stirred and baying for blood before the accused has even been tried. There are laws that protect people being named before charges that the police/press have to abide, if we're going to have vigilantes then they should be bound the same or prosecuted.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Born Hunter

[Born Hunter 17,820]

Just now, scothunter said:

Lol knew you would be on that comment like a pigeon on a chip.

Yea forgot America is the land of milk and honey and top class citizens  and were just backward Brits eh. 

This the same great nation who left the bodies and people to fester in new Orleans during Katrina. 

There third world countries that handle disaster's better than they did. 

But yea you're right born they definitely left the people of new Orleans to help themselves lol

 

I didn't say we're backwards, I said different.

[scothunter 12,609]

Thank f**k we are aswell ?

[Born Hunter 17,820]

1 minute ago, scothunter said:

Thank f**k we are aswell ?

LOL, yeah it has it's benefits I don't deny and it is the default nature of the average Briton.

[WILF 47,952]

American culture is basically old British culture on steroids......it developed from British culture in the days before we were afraid of our own shadow and we didn’t get our arse wipes for us.

It was the days when Britain was a nation of traders and adventurers, when we had a bit of vitality.

Now days 15 million people are shit scared of European roaming charges !!........lol 

[johnny.w 316]

It makes me wonder why the police want to crack down on these guys rather than come up with a solution on how they can work together. The only good thing I have to say about Stinson is that he makes it clear there will be no violence and is polite even though he's talking to a toerag. The other ones with all their swearing and threats make themselves look stupid. 

I'm a father and I'm glad someone is making the effort to get these nonces off the street. I just don't think they are doing it the right way.

[scothunter 12,609]

The end of the day if were being honest here.it shouldn't be left to stranger's on the internet to police who kids talk to.regardless of why they do it for good intentions or for likes and Facebook hits

If you have an underage kid surely it's the parents responsibility to monitor there online activity. 

But doesn't help when you have parents who think "well that's an invasion of their privacy"back in my day you had no privacy or rights as a kid. You answered to you're dad and mum and woe betide you if you deviated from that lol

[ChrisJones 7,975]

5 hours ago, scothunter said:

The end of the day if were being honest here.it shouldn't be left to stranger's on the internet to police who kids talk to.regardless of why they do it for good intentions or for likes and Facebook hits

If you have an underage kid surely it's the parents responsibility to monitor there online activity. 

But doesn't help when you have parents who think "well that's an invasion of their privacy"back in my day you had no privacy or rights as a kid. You answered to you're dad and mum and woe betide you if you deviated from that lol

Agreed mate but "Rochdale" and "Rotherham."

I'd argue that these strangers are doing this for varying reasons but the common denominator is that parents simply aren't monitoring their kids' online activity. The police are underfunded and don't have the resources. The social workers ignore the issue. So what next? 

7 hours ago, Born Hunter said:

The mob is stirred and baying for blood before the accused has even been tried.

I refer the honourable gentlemen to "Old Moochers Vs LACS" where personal information was posted in a bid to threaten hunters using a hunting forum, drawing all kinds of conclusions from harvested data. Same concept different subject matter. All of the techniques have evolved since then and this will be no different. The bottom line is you hire and train specialists to do this work or you accept the consequences of inaction. The irony is that if you get the right people they'll do it for free on their own time.

[Born Hunter 17,820]

13 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

I refer the honourable gentlemen to "Old Moochers Vs LACS" where personal information was posted in a bid to threaten hunters using a hunting forum, drawing all kinds of conclusions from harvested data. Same concept different subject matter. All of the techniques have evolved since then and this will be no different. The bottom line is you hire and train specialists to do this work or you accept the consequences of inaction. The irony is that if you get the right people they'll do it for free on their own time.

Whether it's the government or volunteers, the principles of justice should remain. In fact people under investigation should have even greater rights and protections if we're going to have groups who are essentially unaccountable doing the work.

Social media should only be used the way it has been by these 'paedo hunters' for public awareness of government/judiciary failings, not for the pat on the back they are now. By doing that they're only encouraging extrajudicial punishment and that crosses a line.

By all means have private investigators who are motivated by justice and public safety, not like hunters.

Edited January 15, 2018 by Born Hunter

[ChrisJones 7,975]

5 minutes ago, Born Hunter said:

Whether it's the government or volunteers, the principles of justice should remain. In fact people under investigation should have even greater rights and protections if we're going to have groups who are essentially unaccountable doing the work.

Social media should only be used the way it has been by these 'paedo hunters' for public awareness of government/judiciary failings, not for the pat on the back they are now. By doing that they're only encouraging extrajudicial punishment and that crosses a line.

By all means have private investigators who are motivated by justice and public safety, not like hunters.

Absolutely and that should be first and foremost. Anyone that does this to harvest "Likes" should be prosecuted for a public order offence. The bottom line is that there is a void between police results and the public perception of what those results should be.

While this void exists there will be the 'paedo hunter.' The only way to make this go away is to up the conviction rate with existing resources or call in volunteers who will work to a code of practice, IMHO.

[Born Hunter 17,820]

10 minutes ago, ChrisJones said:

Absolutely and that should be first and foremost. Anyone that does this to harvest "Likes" should be prosecuted for a public order offence. The bottom line is that there is a void between police results and the public perception of what those results should be.

While this void exists there will be the 'paedo hunter.' The only way to make this go away is to up the conviction rate with existing resources or call in volunteers who will work to a code of practice, IMHO.

The more folks want to take back responsibility the better, I support that, just so long as we don't chuck out the rule of law along with the government! LOL.

It's my opinion that most of these groups aren't a result of that perceived void but simply on the bandwagon for their own moral crusade. Other than a select few instances I don't think the general public think paedophiles represent a significant problem.

But ya know, if that's what they want to do, then they can knock themselves out for me.... I have my doubts how many of them realise what due process means, those that really do I can get behind.

[mackem 27,770]

Papers today are carrying a story of one guy in Bristol who has just been caught by the same group of internet vigilantes for the second time  When the woman knocked on his door to confront him he said simply "Oh NO" as he recognised her from 2016 when he was caught and jailed for 16 months,this time he has been jailed for 20 months.

[Welsh_red 4,755]

10 hours ago, mackem said:

Papers today are carrying a story of one guy in Bristol who has just been caught by the same group of internet vigilantes for the second time  When the woman knocked on his door to confront him he said simply "Oh NO" as he recognised her from 2016 when he was caught and jailed for 16 months,this time he has been jailed for 20 months.

Pretty pitifull sentences.  Round here a vigilante group caught a guy in a McDonald's this last week . He fled in a car knocking a few other cars before he was caught