Dog aggression

[Fidolove 4]

2 minutes ago, rob284 said:

Let him off then. Id say you keeping him on the lead is getting him wound up because he cant be inquisitive and sniff other dogs like theyre suppose to. Try going on a walk without putting him on the lead. If you dont do it you never will. I dont know if your experienced but your misinterpreting his behaviour with aggression. More than likely youve never seen real dog aggression. Let him off and relax. If he bothers other dogs check him. But putting him on a lead isnt a fix.

I'm not experienced at all. I've read a few books and watched a few episodes of Cesar but this is my first dog. I heard lurchers made amazing family pets, no one mentioned how gobby they can be, but other lurcher owners I've met have said they've experienced the same lead aggression (or rather mouthy cockiness). I love these breeds but I feel a bit like I bought a Lamborghini to drive around a city. I love they way they look, I love their intelligence, I love their speed and I really do think they have a sense of humour (he likes doing drive-bys when he's off lead).

[terryd 8,490]

I can see where Rob is coming from but letting your dog bump into strange dogs off lead espeacially if the other dog is on a lead and yours goes flying up to it. Things could go pete tong. 

PJ is on to some thing espeacially if you have mates with dogs that is a big help. Even if your dog kicks off it will just run out of steam after a few minutes of walking down the road together on leads. Mine did when I saw a trainer sometime back. When he kicked off  he was stopped dead and by the time we left he was laying at the feet of a malinos and didn't give a hoot. 

A good trainer would be worth your time as long as his not too lovey dovey. Firm but not cruel is some times needed if the dog is just being an arse. I want my dog to ignore dogs he don't need to say hi to every dog he see's in any way shape or form .

Any way good luck stick at it and don't get stressed out it don't help any thing. Easier said than done at times I know lol

[lurcherman 887 13,176]

A good f***ing thump that c**t needs 

[Fidolove 4]

I see these really rough looking fuckers with their staffies off lead. They always stay close to their owners and they're well behaved. I've always thought it was because they take no shit from the dog, correct bad behaviour quickly and efficiently, keep a really close relationship with it and probably feed it whatever they eat (albeit shite). It's such a natural, mutual understanding they have. It's the little fanny sniffers that go the groomers and get carried around who have the worst behaviour. That's why I'm here and not on some other site. People who work their dogs know dogs and a lot of sense has passed my way.

[rob284 1,682]

17 minutes ago, terryd said:

I can see where Rob is coming from but letting your dog bump into strange dogs off lead espeacially if the other dog is on a lead and yours goes flying up to it. Things could go pete tong. 

PJ is on to some thing espeacially if you have mates with dogs that is a big help. Even if your dog kicks off it will just run out of steam after a few minutes of walking down the road together on leads. Mine did when I saw a trainer sometime back. When he kicked off  he was stopped dead and by the time we left he was laying at the feet of a malinos and didn't give a hoot. 

A good trainer would be worth your time as long as his not too lovey dovey. Firm but not cruel is some times needed if the dog is just being an arse. I want my dog to ignore dogs he don't need to say hi to every dog he see's in any way shape or form .

Any way good luck stick at it and don't get stressed out it don't help any thing. Easier said than done at times I know lol

Thats how i like it. A dog that isnt interested in other dogs. Maybe that comes with work because they know they have more important things to do than f***ing about. Id say its better done in a controlled environment, but the dog hasnt displayed any signs of aggression in my eyes as hes never took hold of a dog, your case sounded like dog aggression terryd. Also, Dog parks are the worst places to walk a dog, not somewhere id go.

[PJCaswell 114]

On ‎05‎/‎01‎/‎2018 at 14:31, TALKCHEAP said:

its worked for thousands of years,your the boss they do as their  told,if they don't you put them in their place.not all this modern day shit.going to see the vet wold like be going to the butchers for an hair cut. 

'talk to the vet' is a euphuism for putting him down. IMO if a dog is aggressive and can't be controlled should be put down. Even 30 years ago dogs that didn't make the grade were simply put down - now we drop em off at the dogs trust and pass the problem on to some other poor soul. 

[TALKCHEAP 183]

On 6 January 2018 at 17:29, PJCaswell said:

'talk to the vet' is a euphuism for putting him down. IMO if a dog is aggressive and can't be controlled should be put down. Even 30 years ago dogs that didn't make the grade were simply put down - now we drop em off at the dogs trust and pass the problem on to some other poor soul. 

when you said talk to the vet i took it the wrong way,and for that I'm sorry, all the best to you

[Sirblessed 2,511]

Go to a reputable dog obedience club start there, I’m sure you will meet knowledgeable people who can help to identify firstly why he is showing aggression, then apply the opropriate method of correction to get him/her social.

I have had pit bulls for 30 years and learned through the journey, that dogs are not all the same, what may work with one,may not work with another, I have yet to own a dog I couldn’t socialise that being said some may take a lot of time and patience unless the dog has mental issues you WILL get there in the end with good help, and repetitiveness.     

 

 

[bird 9,936]

9 hours ago, Sirblessed said:

Go to a reputable dog obedience club start there, I’m sure you will meet knowledgeable people who can help to identify firstly why he is showing aggression, then apply the opropriate method of correction to get him/her social.

I have had pit bulls for 30 years and learned through the journey, that dogs are not all the same, what may work with one,may not work with another, I have yet to own a dog I couldn’t socialise that being said some may take a lot of time and patience unless the dog has mental issues you WILL get there in the end with good help, and repetitiveness.     

 

 

top advice  that   , like you been around  bull breeds long while , had had staffs in the 60s  that were  like a some pits of today, had bullmastiffs , and  my last bull breed was nice big pit bitch in the 80s , she was ok with other dogs, as long as they were ok with her. my worst dog for dog and, people aggression  was a kelpie x collie x grey bitch, she was nightmare  would attack any dog if it came to close, was ok with me but nobody else , put her down in the end to dangerous to dogs and people , she was nuts  deff. your right though all dogs are differnt in temp , Bryn my old 1x collie x grey  ok with dogs as long as they dont push with him. But Buck my big 1x gsd x grey  his temp is  prob the best of any dog ive ever had deff, he loves people great with other dogs, he dont want trouble  if they start on him  he moves away, it fookin good job really, as wreak most dogs it started on them back, he different dog when hunting he full on then    getting pups to training class  is not a bad thing either , it gets them used to people and dogs and for 8 weeks is deff worth it, and just carry on socializing  them .    

[Sirblessed 2,511]

10 hours ago, bird said:

top advice  that   , like you been around  bull breeds long while , had had staffs in the 60s  that were  like a some pits of today, had bullmastiffs , and  my last bull breed was nice big pit bitch in the 80s , she was ok with other dogs, as long as they were ok with her. my worst dog for dog and, people aggression  was a kelpie x collie x grey bitch, she was nightmare  would attack any dog if it came to close, was ok with me but nobody else , put her down in the end to dangerous to dogs and people , she was nuts  deff. your right though all dogs are differnt in temp , Bryn my old 1x collie x grey  ok with dogs as long as they dont push with him. But Buck my big 1x gsd x grey  his temp is  prob the best of any dog ive ever had deff, he loves people great with other dogs, he dont want trouble  if they start on him  he moves away, it fookin good job really, as wreak most dogs it started on them back, he different dog when hunting he full on then    getting pups to training class  is not a bad thing either , it gets them used to people and dogs and for 8 weeks is deff worth it, and just carry on socializing  them .    

That’s the biggest problem, it’s hard, if not impossible to stop some dogs defending themselves, and you can’t blame them really. I still get that now and it’s dangerous when these dogs flip the switch, they do some damage and then they want to blame your dog ffs.

If a dog is antisocial and you want to take it in public, you should keep it muzzled until educated.

I agree mate puppy obedience solves a lot of heartache and hard work correcting later, take all mine now not so much for training can do that at home, but more for the social aspect, and a good yarn 

[Casso 1,261]

You’ve got to ask yourself where does all the potential for work go in a non working lurcher, 

dogs are stimulated on sight, which is great if it can run and hunt and burn off stimulation if not stress is produced, as stored energy,

it builds and builds until it finds a trigger , dog cat , cushions , moving objects, energy will leak out everywhere unless the f****r has a clear notion of where you show it  what to do with its energy 

energy has to flow , a working dog has a clearly defined root to restoring balance through work, that’s why it ignores anything not work related , 

the more you focus on  learning to be social without addressing fundamentals the harder you will have to discipline, 

dogs bond through expressing its drive with others  , that’s  how a pack forms  / group mind , us included 

we’re  lookin at dogs expressing energy and we admit defeat, “he s been a b*****d , not listening to us , trying to pull a fast one , when we know the incredible athletic ability these dogs have once stimulated but we can’t make that link , 

there is only one ENERGY, 

it just needs to be grounded

id also add that most pet dogs go through that same load overload principle, it can take years for a dog to explode , “he just flipped out of the blue”, at the end of the day if you are just treating the trigger as the issue , your not really grasping the issue itself  

 

Edited January 9, 2018 by Casso

[Chaff 3,622]

19 minutes ago, Casso said:

You’ve got to ask yourself where does all the potential for work go in a non working lurcher, 

dogs are stimulated on sight, which is great if it can run and hunt and burn off stimulation if not stress is produced, as stored energy,

it builds and builds until it finds a trigger , dog cat , cushions , moving objects, energy will leak out everywhere unless the f****r has a clear notion of where you show it  what to do with its energy 

energy has to flow , a working dog has a clearly defined root to restoring balance through work, that’s why it ignores anything not work related , 

the more you focus on  learning to be social without addressing fundamentals the harder you will have to discipline, 

dogs bond through expressing its drive with others  , that’s  how a pack forms  / group mind , us included 

we’re  lookin at dogs expressing energy and we admit defeat, “he s been a b*****d , not listening to us , trying to pull a fast one , when we know the incredible athletic ability these dogs have once stimulated but we can’t make that link , 

there is only one ENERGY, 

it just needs to be grounded 

 

IMHO your bang on with that one Casso.

[hollands hope 1,024]

4 hours ago, Casso said:

You’ve got to ask yourself where does all the potential for work go in a non working lurcher, 

dogs are stimulated on sight, which is great if it can run and hunt and burn off stimulation if not stress is produced, as stored energy,

it builds and builds until it finds a trigger , dog cat , cushions , moving objects, energy will leak out everywhere unless the f****r has a clear notion of where you show it  what to do with its energy 

energy has to flow , a working dog has a clearly defined root to restoring balance through work, that’s why it ignores anything not work related , 

the more you focus on  learning to be social without addressing fundamentals the harder you will have to discipline, 

dogs bond through expressing its drive with others  , that’s  how a pack forms  / group mind , us included 

we’re  lookin at dogs expressing energy and we admit defeat, “he s been a b*****d , not listening to us , trying to pull a fast one , when we know the incredible athletic ability these dogs have once stimulated but we can’t make that link , 

there is only one ENERGY, 

it just needs to be grounded 

 

Excellent explanation there Casso !

[PJCaswell 114]

I agree, but owners of non-working lurchers CAN create a hunting experience for their dogs which WILL dissipate ENERGY. Owners of working lurchers would call training.

Lurchers want and they need to hunt by running at something very fast and getting an additional reward. In adult working dogs that reward is killing something. In dogs that are being trained (adults or puppies) it is another type of reward.

Rescued lurchers or rehomed greyhounds are often poorly conditioned and unhappy dogs because their owners don’t know what to do with them. The dogs are either never left of a lead or are walked in a park/baron field where they can have a ‘run around’.  These dogs don’t have anything to run at, are bored, and start look for entertainment. Simple and basic training would solve this problem. Getting a dog to wait in a position while their owner walks 10m away and then on a signal comes to them for a reward is a brilliant way to control a dog on command. If the owner walks 150m before issuing the command then running dogs love it because they are working with their owner, focused and getting to run fast.  Okay it’s not hunting. There is no kill but training like this will help non-working lurchers  live happier lives.