mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 minute ago, ChrisJones said: That's a shame Mackem. It sounds like much better journalism than some traditional mainstream sources! Yes,the alien cats traveling through portals was called zooform phenomena or something similar,it was entertaining reading but.......... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,727 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, mackem said: That was actually put forward as one theory in the Fortean Times to explain the number of black cat sightings in the UK,i read the article,it was something about portals from another realm allowing black panthers to enter the UK.I never read another fortean times after that,i cancelled my subscription. So you have read my article 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,922 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: I'm sorry but you can't class that badger as proof of wild big cats in the UK. It's as much proof towards aliens, el chupacobra and the yetti as it is a lion You might not be able to class it as proof but when you know the MO of an animal you can usually work out if it's responsible or not, eg if I found a carp on the bank of a lake with teeth marks round its mouth and a fresh fillet of meat missing from its side I would assume it's been nailed by an otter if I find loads of chewed husks under a chestnut tree I would assume that a squirrel was in the tree, if I come out and my windscreen is caked in bird shit I will assume the wood pigeon is roosting above me and so on, so when I find a dead animal that has been killed by a single bite to the head had its ribs snipped clean against the spine had its rumen moved to one side and been skinned almost surgically I will assume it's the work of a cat, unlike the fox we saw, I have also saw the kill site and and were it was consumed, so I can class that badger as proof, you don't have to but I can, and that along with the deer I found in almost the same spot at the same time last year is enough evidence for me to put up cameras next year, another thing I can't show you in pictures is the reactions of other animals, I was called about the deer last year because it was on the side of a bridle way but the horses were all rearing and refusing to walk past it, they are really perceptive animals were I found the badger and told the girl with the horses she said that's why they won't go near the woods at the moment, ( she does accept that a cat comes to her area each winter) so that's about it for now, don't beat yourself up for not believing me like I said accepting is the first and biggest hurdle, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Greyman 28,922 Posted December 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Rusty_terrier said: Without it turning stupid and a slagging match. Please post the pic greyman and the back story Last post mate for now, I feel a degeneration coming on but I was not saying I had a perfect picture, I was saying if I put up a perfect picture with no other evidence you would not believe it was genuine, 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Greyman said: many of the carcasses not the smaller ones like fox,s and badgers but deer, horses and a dog have been checked by vets and confirmed as big cat kills Confirmed with hair samples and DNA?Being a british vet doesn't make anyone a big cat expert as the average dog and cat man has no experience of big cats whatsoever,i have a vet as an old friend,he could have a rough guess at how an animal had died but without DNA or hair that's all it would be,a rough guess,what was the scientific confirmation that the cadavers were big cat kills?DNA would be proof positive,were the findings published in veterinary record or the british veterinary journal? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,926 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Greyman said: You might not be able to class it as proof but when you know the MO of an animal you can usually work out if it's responsible or not, eg if I found a carp on the bank of a lake with teeth marks round its mouth and a fresh fillet of meat missing from its side I would assume it's been nailed by an otter if I find loads of chewed husks under a chestnut tree I would assume that a squirrel was in the tree, if I come out and my windscreen is caked in bird shit I will assume the wood pigeon is roosting above me and so on, so when I find a dead animal that has been killed by a single bite to the head had its ribs snipped clean against the spine had its rumen moved to one side and been skinned almost surgically I will assume it's the work of a cat, unlike the fox we saw, I have also saw the kill site and and were it was consumed, so I can class that badger as proof, you don't have to but I can, and that along with the deer I found in almost the same spot at the same time last year is enough evidence for me to put up cameras next year, another thing I can't show you in pictures is the reactions of other animals, I was called about the deer last year because it was on the side of a bridle way but the horses were all rearing and refusing to walk past it, they are really perceptive animals were I found the badger and told the girl with the horses she said that's why they won't go near the woods at the moment, ( she does accept that a cat comes to her area each winter) so that's about it for now, don't beat yourself up for not believing me like I said accepting is the first and biggest hurdle, But the mo of all cats are different so which cat killed the badger? With the greatest respect what qualifications give you the ability to deduce it' a cat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, mackem said: he could have a rough guess at how an animal had died but without DNA or hair that's all it would be,a rough guess, I shouldn't have said rough guess,educated guess is correct,but it would still be just guesswork without the scientific backup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,926 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 The problem is even with dna who in this country is qualified to test and score it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: The problem is even with dna who in this country is qualified to test and score it? Couple of years ago there was a program on hunting yeti in Nepal then bigfoot in the states,british DNA expert did the tests from hair samples collected by mark evans the vet,the DNA expert was a dr or professor with a massive DNA database. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 24 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: The problem is even with dna who in this country is qualified to test and score it? Just done a quick search mate,the yeti and bigfoot hairs were tested in a lab in Bristol.Bigfoot came back as white tail deer and black bear,the yeti was a bit more puzzling,came back as something that was closely related to a polar bear??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, mackem said: Just done a quick search mate,the yeti and bigfoot hairs were tested in a lab in Bristol.Bigfoot came back as white tail deer and black bear,the yeti was a bit more puzzling,came back as something that was closely related to a polar bear??? Asian bears possible hybrid between those and a polar bear. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
South hams hunter 8,926 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 Only thng I saw said they had leopard dna but it was a star article Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: Only thng I saw said they had leopard dna but it was a star article So less reliable than the zooform phenomena in Fortean Times then? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 55 minutes ago, South hams hunter said: Only thng I saw said they had leopard dna but it was a star article Just below Freddy Star ate my hamster 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mackem 27,485 Posted December 7, 2017 Report Share Posted December 7, 2017 4 hours ago, mackem said: Couple of years ago there was a program on hunting yeti in Nepal then bigfoot in the states,british DNA expert did the tests from hair samples collected by mark evans the vet,the DNA expert was a dr or professor with a massive DNA database. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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