kanny 20,649 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 A decent balanced piece from the BBC for a change http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42872829 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
WILF 47,325 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 2 hours ago, ChrisJones said: Unless there is some kind of catastrophic twist in life allotments will only be a hobby for most. It's amazing how we've gone from self-reliant to dependants in three generations. It’s a massive trick imho, See I don’t agree that food is expensive, we spend a much lower proportion of income on food and the housekeeping than we have ever done because food is subsidised by the CAP. we should actually be paying a lot more for food but we can’t .......we can’t because they subsidised food in order to free up people’s cash which they then went and spent on credit to buy shit they don’t need off big corporates. The Same big corporates who fund the politicians! The west has well and truly been led down the garden path, and what willing victims we are when we see that shiny new Audi in the window or the 70inc flat screen TV or the new kitchen that the wife must have because that’s what is on the telly! All the time we covet this shit, all the time that GDP is a measure of happiness is all the time they will have us by the bollocks. jmho 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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WILF 47,325 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 (edited) When those Romans leave, we will all be back to painting wode on our faces.....I warm ya, it will be a catastrophe!! Edited January 30, 2018 by WILF 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 hour ago, WILF said: It’s a massive trick imho, See I don’t agree that food is expensive, we spend a much lower proportion of income on food and the housekeeping than we have ever done because food is subsidised by the CAP. we should actually be paying a lot more for food but we can’t .......we can’t because they subsidised food in order to free up people’s cash which they then went and spent on credit to buy shit they don’t need off big corporates. The Same big corporates who fund the politicians! The west has well and truly been led down the garden path, and what willing victims we are when we see that shiny new Audi in the window or the 70inc flat screen TV or the new kitchen that the wife must have because that’s what is on the telly! All the time we covet this shit, all the time that GDP is a measure of happiness is all the time they will have us by the bollocks. jmho I agree about the food. There's no incentive to produce when you can consume. There's more profit the further down the chain. Although I'm also curious how everyone uses the stock exchange as a sign of good times. One of the favourite comments on t'other thread is how unemployment is down and how the Dow is posting record figures under the new regime... True but how much of that has trickled down to Joe Soap? The economy created 200,000 jobs last month! All hail our great leader!! They don't tell you that those jobs are making his cheeseburgers and tailoring the emperor's new clothes! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 6 hours ago, kanny said: It's just yet another very convenient leak its become blatantly obvious recently that the government have no intention of leaving the EU it will be and has been project fear until the people fall in line If the government themselves wanted this information out in public surely they wouldn't have originally denied the existence of impact assessments and then refused to release them to the public when ordered to do so by Parliament? Obviously this was leaked by a Remain supporting MP because they feel like it supports there position but equally this information was held back from the public by Brexit supporting MPs because they felt it damaged their position. Not really the sort of transparency I'd like to see from my government. 4 hours ago, ChrisJones said: Agreed but when a Tory minister says "Nothing to see here. Just ignore it" I can't help but think we should be looking at it very closely. Again it could be pure speculation but the information should be analyzed to determine it's validity. I don't see any MP doing that justice at present. Spot on, just because we don't like what the leaked document says doesn't mean we should just dismiss it's findings out of hand. As for other MPs analysing the information they've been wanting to do just that for months but the government initially denied these impact assessments exist and then when caught in the lie and told to release them by Parliament they refused! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, BGD said: Spot on, just because we don't like what the leaked document says doesn't mean we should just dismiss it's findings out of hand. As for other MPs analysing the information they've been wanting to do just that for months but the government initially denied these impact assessments exist and then when caught in the lie and told to release them by Parliament they refused! I'm sure there will be various partisan reviews in the coming days. I'm willing to wait for something concrete! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 4 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: I'm sure there will be various partisan reviews in the coming days. I'm willing to wait for something concrete! For real indepth reviews we'd need the full assessments released though, that still hasn't happened all that's been leaked is a summary document outlining the findings of those assessments as far as I know. We'd need to see the models used etc to make a real judgment of the findings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChrisJones 7,975 Posted January 30, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, BGD said: For real indepth reviews we'd need the full assessments released though, that still hasn't happened all that's been leaked is a summary document outlining the findings of those assessments as far as I know. We'd need to see the models used etc to make a real judgment of the findings. Very true. What's the likelihood of that happening now? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 7 minutes ago, ChrisJones said: Very true. What's the likelihood of that happening now? Your guess is as good as mine pal, pressure on the government to release them will definitely increase but pressure from Parliament has been pretty strong already. Transparency isn't something this government seem to believe in! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,649 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 35 minutes ago, BGD said: Your guess is as good as mine pal, pressure on the government to release them will definitely increase but pressure from Parliament has been pretty strong already. Transparency isn't something this government seem to believe in! Yup I agree we need transparency there all as bad don't kid yourself yer man is any different http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-get-off-fence-hedging-bets-single-market-customs-union-open-a8184296.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BGD 6,436 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 1 minute ago, kanny said: Yup I agree we need transparency there all as bad don't kid yourself yer man is any different http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-jeremy-corbyn-labour-policy-get-off-fence-hedging-bets-single-market-customs-union-open-a8184296.html What has infighting over Brexit policy in the opposition party got to do ith government transparency? Clutching at straws there pal... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kanny 20,649 Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, BGD said: What has infighting over Brexit policy in the opposition party got to do ith government transparency? Clutching at straws there pal... Even jezza's own mps don't know what glue he's sniffing he's about as transparent as the Irish channel ..in out in out shake it all about don't get it twisted man just saying like I said earlier up the thread we need to know what we are actually going for with brexit I'm not buying all this we can't reveal our hand quite the opposite we should be bluffing like a gudden telling the EU its beyond a hard brexit we should have Armageddon brexit faces on ....there's no please all scenario to be had better they just pin there colours to the mast and go for it imo 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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