Jonjon79 13,358 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I watched that review last night - good review I like the format - starting with the technical stuff, then going for opinions, then into some actual hunting. From the shots taken at the range, it looks like it's got very low recoil. It was good to see Dave on the video - he's one of the proper characters from the club 1 Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Yes i do enjoy watching their channel and reviews but i am with REZ on this ,some of the so called shed tuners can do a better job .. It just would be nice to see a side by side review ,instead of SFS tune . It's become a bit like the airgun mags ,nothing is said bad about a gun they review . IMO this has become the same with Si and Davy with SFS . I have nothing against them at all ,they do a brilliant job for the airgun community new and old and like i said i do enjoy watching the channel 3 Quote Link to post
si brown 8,486 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 9 hours ago, davyt63 said: Not to worry buddy,it will happen one day? at least I got to meet the other half of your love relationship (Si Brown ???) Cheeky tw@t Nice work on Jonjon’s knife, its well smart? Keep up the good work with the Chanel Atb si 2 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,794 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Rez may be right Davy lads like Si Brown the lad can tune a rifle with his eyes closed and he will say HE ONLY DOSE HIS OWN OR CLOSE FRIENDS . But iv shot both fsf and si,s rifles and si,s top the sfs hands down His 97ks is some thing to be holed iv tuned loads of 97,s and iv been happy with them but si,s is the best iv ever had the pleasure to shoot . YES SFS ARE GOOD BUT THERE ARE SOME LADS OUT THERE THAT ARE BETTER AND THEY DO IT IN A SHED AND SOME WITH NEXT TO NO GEAR JUST WHAT THEY HAVE AT HAND . THEN YOU HAVE CHARLIECALLER THE MANS A LEGEND AT TUNING BUT THEY WILL NOT GET THE CHANCE OF HAVING THERE RIFLES TESTED BY YOU AND SI SHAME REALLY MAY BE THEY SHOULD START THERE OWN CHANNEL ? ATVBJIMMY 3 Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 1 hour ago, bigmac 97kt said: Rez may be right Davy lads like Si Brown the lad can tune a rifle with his eyes closed and he will say HE ONLY DOSE HIS OWN OR CLOSE FRIENDS . But iv shot both fsf and si,s rifles and si,s top the sfs hands down His 97ks is some thing to be holed iv tuned loads of 97,s and iv been happy with them but si,s is the best iv ever had the pleasure to shoot . YES SFS ARE GOOD BUT THERE ARE SOME LADS OUT THERE THAT ARE BETTER AND THEY DO IT IN A SHED AND SOME WITH NEXT TO NO GEAR JUST WHAT THEY HAVE AT HAND . THEN YOU HAVE CHARLIECALLER THE MANS A LEGEND AT TUNING BUT THEY WILL NOT GET THE CHANCE OF HAVING THERE RIFLES TESTED BY YOU AND SI SHAME REALLY MAY BE THEY SHOULD START THERE OWN CHANNEL ? ATVBJIMMY Just may be this thread will give Davy and Si food for thought , may be !! 1 Quote Link to post
just-A-snap 1,269 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 All have a valid point with each and every opinion, but there is nothing stopping anyone from opening a YouTube account and posting a review. Or on here The hunting Life and other forums. If the Rifle is more important then the finger on the trigger then is it not of no consequence? The Rifle will do the job? I do not think, and this is just in my opinion that any Rifle is better then the next. Be it out of the box or tuned as it always comes down to one persons opinion from the other. If it does the job according to one's skills and competency then it is a good Rifle and will do even better in the hand of someone who is more competent. And just as bad in the hand of someone with less ability. Finger on the individual trigger with any Rifle. Hitting the target is what it is all about, OK this Rifle is shit in your opinion, all fine and good but it is my shit and I am happy with it. All in just my opinion All the very best for one and all Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,794 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 minutes ago, just-A-snap said: All have a valid point with each and every opinion, but there is nothing stopping anyone from opening a YouTube account and posting a review. Or on here The hunting Life and other forums. If the Rifle is more important then the finger on the trigger then is it not of no consequence? The Rifle will do the job? I do not think, and this is just in my opinion that any Rifle is better then the next. Be it out of the box or tuned as it always comes down to one persons opinion from the other. If it does the job according to one's skills and competency then it is a good Rifle and will do even better in the hand of someone who is more competent. And just as bad in the hand of someone with less ability. Finger on the individual trigger with any Rifle. Hitting the target is what it is all about, OK this Rifle is shit in your opinion, all fine and good but it is my shit and I am happy with it. All in just my opinion All the very best for one and all Have you ever fired a tuned rifle Renos before and after its been tuned so you can see and feel the difference for your self atvbjimmy 1 Quote Link to post
just-A-snap 1,269 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) That is not the point mac mate, well in the way i see it that is. it is like saying to someone who cannot drive well try this car. All the very best for you and your mate. Edited November 18, 2017 by just-A-snap Quote Link to post
villaman 9,983 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 Renos , my HW95 out of the box very nice ,I sent it of to Dave Price (wonkey Donkey ) my god what a different gun it is now . Even my spit and polish on my .22 97 made a difference and that shot ok as well before i worked on it I have a SFS IMP and shot a home tuned HW99 .22 , home tuned shot better than the Imp and that is what i call a side by side comparison 1 Quote Link to post
bigmac 97kt 13,794 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 So i take that as a no then and a rifle out of the box can not be as good as a tuned rifle they say the tx200 dose not need a tune but all you have to do is look at Marks posts on his to see it dose benefit from a tune . hw97,s need a tune and a polish out of the box even if its just to get rid of the factory shit thats in them if your lucky there may be two or three that dont . and as for the finger on the trigger yes it counts but its a hell of a lot better with a rifle that shoots a lot smoother and with less recoil your just commenting on some thing you know nothing about mac Quote Link to post
just-A-snap 1,269 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) VM mate I am not saying that it is not better in some hands. The point is most who watch VerminHuntersTV will never own a tuned Rifle and that goes for most who are on here The Hunting Life but do not comment. The lads here are as far as I know all competent and beyond as marksman and hunters. I am saying to the rest become competent with the Rifle you have now and then progress if you want later. Getting a tuned Rifle will not make you a better marksman if one has not put in the time, In my opinion. All the very best for you and yours mate P.S My hands are not working well with the keyboard today lads. I apologise for correcting all my mistakes Edited November 18, 2017 by just-A-snap 1 Quote Link to post
just-A-snap 1,269 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 18 minutes ago, bigmac 97kt said: So i take that as a no then and a rifle out of the box can not be as good as a tuned rifle they say the tx200 dose not need a tune but all you have to do is look at Marks posts on his to see it dose benefit from a tune . hw97,s need a tune and a polish out of the box even if its just to get rid of the factory shit thats in them if your lucky there may be two or three that dont . and as for the finger on the trigger yes it counts but its a hell of a lot better with a rifle that shoots a lot smoother and with less recoil your just commenting on some thing you know nothing about mac Come on mac mate, did i say that a tuned Rifle is no good. All the very best Quote Link to post
mattwhite 1,993 Posted November 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 I think the point Jimmy and Mitch are trying to make Renos is that even a great out of the box rifle can be made better by a clean and polish of the internals let alone a tune. That modification will be felt by a complete novice or a great marksmen. Regarding using a tuned rifle against a stereotypical cheap quality one, it's like asking someone to shoot Free hand balancing on one leg to learn to shoot. It's not the best way. It's not the correct technique so we do it properly, from a rest using proper technique. The same applies to how a rifle SHOULD come out of the factory. In an ideal world it would be smooth and not jump like a maniac so to learn with best available kit surely is the way to learn. My neighbour was so pissed off with the hatsan breaker that he gave it me. It put him off shooting, yet after I fettled it and shot a lot of rabbits from good ranges with it, his faith was restored and now he has it back and is enjoying the sport again.? 2 Quote Link to post
si brown 8,486 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 2 hours ago, just-A-snap said: All have a valid point with each and every opinion, but there is nothing stopping anyone from opening a YouTube account and posting a review. Or on here The hunting Life and other forums. If the Rifle is more important then the finger on the trigger then is it not of no consequence? The Rifle will do the job? I do not think, and this is just in my opinion that any Rifle is better then the next. Be it out of the box or tuned as it always comes down to one persons opinion from the other. If it does the job according to one's skills and competency then it is a good Rifle and will do even better in the hand of someone who is more competent. And just as bad in the hand of someone with less ability. Finger on the individual trigger with any Rifle. Hitting the target is what it is all about, OK this Rifle is shit in your opinion, all fine and good but it is my shit and I am happy with it. All in just my opinion All the very best for one and all dont think anyones saying the rifle is sh1t Renos even a sh1t hot shot cant be consistently good with a crap rifle, the only thing ive ever heard anyone complain about is the trigger and mark with the stock router! tuning rifles to be more user friendly can only be a good thing especially when you hunt with them,, the only thing ive got with the super tuners is the pricing structure, most can be sorted within a couple of hours and parts to do it can cost as little as £3 if you have to buy washers.. to say £40 if springs and seals are changed the majority of top end springers are just lacking the finishing touches that should be done as standard with the price tags they carrie! I recon most of the tuning parts that you can buy are crap and way over priced, you alter one part and it has a knock on affect be it good or bad! atb si 2 Quote Link to post
just-A-snap 1,269 Posted November 18, 2017 Report Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) You will get no arguments from me mattwhite nor will any of the other lads, if i took things the wrong way, i would as I suspect you would not also be here. I do hope by now that every one knows that my view is if you are selling something then it should be fit for purpose. The cheapest rifle if one has the luck to find it can be the best ever. Some see the achievements of others with a tuned Rifle but never stop to thing about the hard work that it took and takes to get to that point. All the very best mate Edited November 18, 2017 by just-A-snap Quote Link to post
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