dave88 1,565 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Maybe not, but the stats agree dave. The statistics for fetal abnormalitys do yes but you're ignoring the many other reasons why an abortion may be neccessary...i've already said i dont agree with abortion personally and me and my wife would never consider it but you cant be the judge of everyone elses personal circumstances Edited October 17, 2017 by daveee88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yep, people can use abortion irresponsibly, just like cars & guns....... Yes but unlike cars and guns the act of abortion itself violates the 'harm principle'. Owning cars and guns doesn't in itself. The two aren't directly comparable imo. Essentially we have laws which prohibit an action that in itself is considered immoral because they are directly harmful to an innocent party (assault, murder, rape, theft etc) and we have laws which prohibit actions that can easily be abused and lead to such a immoral crime/harm, they're what I call preventative laws/crimes rather than moral ones. We have laws to ensure abortion is done responsibly. Abortion is legal under those circumstances. Sometimes it will be abused......... But it's nothing at all like owning cars or guns. Owning a car isn't harming anybody. The act of aborting a unborn child fits the literal definition of the harm principle which we base our law on. Just because in certain circumstances we consider such a violation of our principles to be the lesser evil is neither here nor there. The two are totally different. Not to mention those 70'000 non first timers have fulfilled the legal requirement. They haven't abused anything legally. Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion.... So you cant see the difference in a piece of metal an a human baby, ffs accip Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yep, people can use abortion irresponsibly, just like cars & guns....... Yes but unlike cars and guns the act of abortion itself violates the 'harm principle'. Owning cars and guns doesn't in itself. The two aren't directly comparable imo. Essentially we have laws which prohibit an action that in itself is considered immoral because they are directly harmful to an innocent party (assault, murder, rape, theft etc) and we have laws which prohibit actions that can easily be abused and lead to such a immoral crime/harm, they're what I call preventative laws/crimes rather than moral ones. We have laws to ensure abortion is done responsibly. Abortion is legal under those circumstances. Sometimes it will be abused......... But it's nothing at all like owning cars or guns. Owning a car isn't harming anybody. The act of aborting a unborn child fits the literal definition of the harm principle which we base our law on. Just because in certain circumstances we consider such a violation of our principles to be the lesser evil is neither here nor there. The two are totally different. Not to mention those 70'000 non first timers have fulfilled the legal requirement. They haven't abused anything legally. Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion.... So you cant see the difference in a piece of metal an a human baby, ffs accip No, no difference at all mate...........I liken those foetuses to a garden rake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Maybe not, but the stats agree dave. The statistics for fetal abnormalitys do yes but you're ignoring the many other reasons why an abortion may be neccessary...i've already said i dont agree with abortion personally and me and my wife would never consider it but you cant be the judge of everyone elses personal circumstances Im giving my opinion like the next man dave, its upto people to make there own choices, i just dont agree with it, but hey ho my opinion means nothing. Could you give me the reasons that i missed dave? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yep, people can use abortion irresponsibly, just like cars & guns....... Yes but unlike cars and guns the act of abortion itself violates the 'harm principle'. Owning cars and guns doesn't in itself. The two aren't directly comparable imo. Essentially we have laws which prohibit an action that in itself is considered immoral because they are directly harmful to an innocent party (assault, murder, rape, theft etc) and we have laws which prohibit actions that can easily be abused and lead to such a immoral crime/harm, they're what I call preventative laws/crimes rather than moral ones. We have laws to ensure abortion is done responsibly. Abortion is legal under those circumstances. Sometimes it will be abused......... But it's nothing at all like owning cars or guns. Owning a car isn't harming anybody. The act of aborting a unborn child fits the literal definition of the harm principle which we base our law on. Just because in certain circumstances we consider such a violation of our principles to be the lesser evil is neither here nor there. The two are totally different. Not to mention those 70'000 non first timers have fulfilled the legal requirement. They haven't abused anything legally. Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion....So you cant see the difference in a piece of metal an a human baby, ffs accipNo, no difference at all mate...........I liken those foetuses to a garden rake You my friend are a slabber, plain an simple. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion.... I'm pretty sure you were trying to show folks as being hypocritical for supporting gun rights but not abortion rights. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Maybe not, but the stats agree dave. The statistics for fetal abnormalitys do yes but you're ignoring the many other reasons why an abortion may be neccessary...i've already said i dont agree with abortion personally and me and my wife would never consider it but you cant be the judge of everyone elses personal circumstancesIm giving my opinion like the next man dave, its upto people to make there own choices, i just dont agree with it, but hey ho my opinion means nothing. Could you give me the reasons that i missed dave? Mental health of the mother, physical health of the mother (its not just fetal abnormalities that can cause issues), result of rape. Just to name some off the top of my head. Imo statistics are broken down into strict categories and obviously aren't gonna list everyones personal circumstances and frame of mind so ive not really looked at them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yep, people can use abortion irresponsibly, just like cars & guns....... Yes but unlike cars and guns the act of abortion itself violates the 'harm principle'. Owning cars and guns doesn't in itself. The two aren't directly comparable imo. Essentially we have laws which prohibit an action that in itself is considered immoral because they are directly harmful to an innocent party (assault, murder, rape, theft etc) and we have laws which prohibit actions that can easily be abused and lead to such a immoral crime/harm, they're what I call preventative laws/crimes rather than moral ones. We have laws to ensure abortion is done responsibly. Abortion is legal under those circumstances. Sometimes it will be abused......... But it's nothing at all like owning cars or guns. Owning a car isn't harming anybody. The act of aborting a unborn child fits the literal definition of the harm principle which we base our law on. Just because in certain circumstances we consider such a violation of our principles to be the lesser evil is neither here nor there. The two are totally different. Not to mention those 70'000 non first timers have fulfilled the legal requirement. They haven't abused anything legally. Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion....So you cant see the difference in a piece of metal an a human baby, ffs accipNo, no difference at all mate...........I liken those foetuses to a garden rake You my friend are a slabber, plain an simple. Francie, you asked a fcuking stupid question, I gave you fcuking stupid answer! Get your head out your arse mate. I'm not going to give a sensible answer to such a retarded statement...... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scothunter 12,609 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Wasting you're breath Accip lol 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion.... I'm pretty sure you were trying to show folks as being hypocritical for supporting gun rights but not abortion rights. Actually not as predictable as that, but close.....haha. It's a very contentious issue mate & I understand why people feel so strongly, but if people can't accept that abortion can be used responsibly, then I see those similar parallels........ If there are things that can be done to make it more humane & responsible......then fine, I'm up for that, just done take that choice away from people with genuine circumstances.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Accip74 7,112 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Wasting you're breath Accip lol I don't even know why I came back to this thread.....I think it was the child rape analogy, even then I had to bite my tongue...haha Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Maybe not, but the stats agree dave. The statistics for fetal abnormalitys do yes but you're ignoring the many other reasons why an abortion may be neccessary...i've already said i dont agree with abortion personally and me and my wife would never consider it but you cant be the judge of everyone elses personal circumstancesIm giving my opinion like the next man dave, its upto people to make there own choices, i just dont agree with it, but hey ho my opinion means nothing. Could you give me the reasons that i missed dave? Mental health of the mother, physical health of the mother (its not just fetal abnormalities that can cause issues), result of rape. Just to name some off the top of my head. Imo statistics are broken down into strict categories and obviously aren't gonna list everyones personal circumstances and frame of mind so ive not really looked at them. Mental health, well shouldnt of this lady, put off procreation until she felt better, ffs if she had mental problems, obviously she could have avoided it easily. I can honestly see why someone would make a choice to abort a child if they were raped, i respect there decision but i dont agree with it. But i can honestly see why they would abort if raped,but i dont agree with the child being killed, Child birth is apparently a normal procedure an that children were an still are born without hospitals, in there own home, mothers rarely be in danger. Its a hard subject to discuss. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Born Hunter 17,783 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion.... I'm pretty sure you were trying to show folks as being hypocritical for supporting gun rights but not abortion rights. Actually not as predictable as that, but close.....haha. It's a very contentious issue mate & I understand why people feel so strongly, but if people can't accept that abortion can be used responsibly, then I see those similar parallels........ If there are things that can be done to make it more humane & responsible......then fine, I'm up for that, just done take that choice away from people with genuine circumstances.... I understand that and probably agree with you. I've walked into an already heated debate which really I didn't want to. I'm not really on any side. I'm just shocked by that statistic. I could go on but I think we're past calm debate. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Francie 6,368 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yep, people can use abortion irresponsibly, just like cars & guns....... Yes but unlike cars and guns the act of abortion itself violates the 'harm principle'. Owning cars and guns doesn't in itself. The two aren't directly comparable imo. Essentially we have laws which prohibit an action that in itself is considered immoral because they are directly harmful to an innocent party (assault, murder, rape, theft etc) and we have laws which prohibit actions that can easily be abused and lead to such a immoral crime/harm, they're what I call preventative laws/crimes rather than moral ones. We have laws to ensure abortion is done responsibly. Abortion is legal under those circumstances. Sometimes it will be abused......... But it's nothing at all like owning cars or guns. Owning a car isn't harming anybody. The act of aborting a unborn child fits the literal definition of the harm principle which we base our law on. Just because in certain circumstances we consider such a violation of our principles to be the lesser evil is neither here nor there. The two are totally different. Not to mention those 70'000 non first timers have fulfilled the legal requirement. They haven't abused anything legally. Fcuking yaaawwwwwn! You know I what was trying to say! Ffs Hahaha... Abortion can be used responsibly & irresponsibly. Some fcukwits should just never own a car or gun, just like some people are irresponsible & reckless with their bodies & abortion....So you cant see the difference in a piece of metal an a human baby, ffs accipNo, no difference at all mate...........I liken those foetuses to a garden rakeYou my friend are a slabber, plain an simple.Francie, you asked a fcuking stupid question, I gave you fcuking stupid answer! Get your head out your arse mate. I'm not going to give a sensible answer to such a retarded statement...... Dont be back tracking now, you already made the comparison with born. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dave88 1,565 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) So a woman with an illness like schizophrenia or severe depression or even a woman who suffers from psychosis fall pregnant by accident...what should they do Francie? As you say this is a very hard topic discuss...even amongst men apparently Edited October 17, 2017 by daveee88 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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