England

[THE STIFFMEISTER 16,139]

I don't normally watch international football now outside of tournaments , but Jesus that was painful tonight!!!

 

England qualified , but how can that team possibly hope to do anything against any top ten world side?

 

We are absolutely abysmal , from front to back, it makes the surreal form of Harry Kane even more of an anathema as without him in form, you just do not see where goals will come from?

 

Slovenia pretty well disciplined and looked average but we made them look like they were good .

 

Why any fan would waste money going to Russia next year is beyond me, we are completely inept, the midfield is toothless and without delle Ali short of ideas , the defence is at sixes and sevens against anyone with pace , stones is a liability, jo hart is back in the nets , oxlade chamberlain is worth 5 million, no more, rashfird will always be a second string player,

 

I genuinely look at the side and see boring production line players, where are the platts, the scholes , the mcmanamans who can take the ball whenever, I see players who are afraid to say "give me that ball and go"

 

No leaders

 

No formation , 4,2,3,1 is. Not working , you should always, always go 4 4 2 if a team digs in, it's ingrained into you as a kid, you don't need two holding mids at home, you can't play one in the hole as well if they can't play in the hole ,

 

I'd like to see Southgate play a lesser team side in the friendlies to see how they'd do , the spurs spine aside, there is nothing to loose by dropping ox , rashfied, sterling , Cahill and giving vardy and Defoe a crack

[Rabbit Hunter 6,613]

They're terrible. Going to be the same as every 2 years in tournaments. Scrape through the first game, draw the second and third, then get knocked out the next stage. It really is embarrassing.

Southgate is clueless, not manager material in any way, shape or form.

Hart should never have played for England again after his exploits at the Euros.

Stones (Dodgy), Ox, Henderson, Smalling, Jones, Sterling, Sturridge all shite, do nothing at International level and made to look better than they are in their club teams by much better players around them.

The likes of Michael Keane, Delph, Rashford are the ones that look like they could improve and become a mainstay for England IMO.

A backbone of Butland, Cahill, Alli, Kane should be built around but not with the trash that was on show last night.

[Accip74 7,112]

The only football I sit down & watch theses days are the international comps. I still enjoy watching a tournament right through & in a way England being so predictably dire these days has made it easier to relax & enjoy the Euros/World Cup. You no longer have any expectation, so the disappointment is so much easier to take I find......

[bird 9,970]

They're terrible. Going to be the same as every 2 years in tournaments. Scrape through the first game, draw the second and third, then get knocked out the next stage. It really is embarrassing.

Southgate is clueless, not manager material in any way, shape or form.

Hart should never have played for England again after his exploits at the Euros.

Stones (Dodgy), Ox, Henderson, Smalling, Jones, Sterling, Sturridge all shite, do nothing at International level and made to look better than they are in their club teams by much better players around them.

The likes of Michael Keane, Delph, Rashford are the ones that look like they could improve and become a mainstay for England IMO.

A backbone of Butland, Cahill, Alli, Kane should be built around but not with the trash that was on show last night.

 

true, to succeed at international level , you need ( skill, guts,confidence , ) and we only got at most 3-4 players at this level, the rest have(not) got it, we will always struggle , and when we have to play good quality side , we exposed even further .But we got there now to the world cup, which is great , but we will back home on the plane early once we meet a good side

[WILF 47,469]

I don't normally watch international football now outside of tournaments , but Jesus that was painful tonight!!!

England qualified , but how can that team possibly hope to do anything against any top ten world side?

We are absolutely abysmal , from front to back, it makes the surreal form of Harry Kane even more of an anathema as without him in form, you just do not see where goals will come from?

Slovenia pretty well disciplined and looked average but we made them look like they were good .

Why any fan would waste money going to Russia next year is beyond me, we are completely inept, the midfield is toothless and without delle Ali short of ideas , the defence is at sixes and sevens against anyone with pace , stones is a liability, jo hart is back in the nets , oxlade chamberlain is worth 5 million, no more, rashfird will always be a second string player,

I genuinely look at the side and see boring production line players, where are the platts, the scholes , the mcmanamans who can take the ball whenever, I see players who are afraid to say "give me that ball and go"

No leaders

No formation , 4,2,3,1 is. Not working , you should always, always go 4 4 2 if a team digs in, it's ingrained into you as a kid, you don't need two holding mids at home, you can't play one in the hole as well if they can't play in the hole ,

I'd like to see Southgate play a lesser team side in the friendlies to see how they'd do , the spurs spine aside, there is nothing to loose by dropping ox , rashfied, sterling , Cahill and giving vardy and Defoe a crack

That formation is for teams that are not that sure of themselves mate, it's neither park the bus or go out for the win......it's twilight zone.

It's the "we may nick a goal but let's try to not get killed on the break by a decent team"........it's the formation that says we are not 100% confident in the defence or the attack at senior level.

Line striker set ups are always going to be chip shop.

It's f***ing soul destroying for all concerned and even worse to watch.

 

I play something similar with one of my kids teams I coach (although Its not as shite or boring because they play 7v7 at thieir age) because although they are all good players and strong enough going forward when it breaks down and bigger stronger kids are running at them, the defence get overwhelmed because the attacking type players don't have the engine or the mentality to get back.

I have another very strong kids team that can just play standard shape.

 

As I said brother, it's the in between shape you use to not get killed.

Edited October 6, 2017 by WILF

[WILF 47,469]

Let's not beat about the bush, all the England players are VERY good players in their own right.......so you have to look to the coach and I have to ask myself, the last coach I can think of who had any charisma about him at all was Terry Venables.......all the rest since have been proper lifeless, boring c**ts.......coincidence ?

[Shovel shy 4,033]

If Southgate left in the morning what club could he possibly go and manage? Crystal Palace? Championship clubs maybe? Same as allardyce and Hodgson. Piss poor managers living in the past tactic wise. Pay the salary to a good decent manager and see what that brings. Average manager average team

[jukel123 8,554]

Let's not beat about the bush, all the England players are VERY good players in their own right.......so you have to look to the coach and I have to ask myself, the last coach I can think of who had any charisma about him at all was Terry Venables.......all the rest since have been proper lifeless, boring c**ts.......coincidence ?

Think about the charismatic, but outspoken managers the FA couldn't possibly employ because they were not quite the right kind of chap. Clough, J Charlton, even Redknapp. It's a bloody shame.

We have got ordinary players now, so we need an extraordinary manager who isn't afraid to speak his mind. or experiment or be bold. But it will never happen with the establishment feckers at the FA.

[WILF 47,469]

My personal opinion is that a good coach is so much more than just a bloke that says "play this shape or that"......good players know how to play, but a good coach will watch, work and say what he has to on an individual and team level to make players beleive than can do more than they ever thought they could........they will see his passion, his elation and his devistation and a good coach will get them feeling it with him.

He is friend, critic, fan, nurse, inspiration and leader all rolled into one.

Jmho

[WILF 47,469]

 

Let's not beat about the bush, all the England players are VERY good players in their own right.......so you have to look to the coach and I have to ask myself, the last coach I can think of who had any charisma about him at all was Terry Venables.......all the rest since have been proper lifeless, boring c**ts.......coincidence ?

 

Think about the charismatic, but outspoken managers the FA couldn't possibly employ because they were not quite the right kind of chap. Clough, J Charlton, even Redknapp. It's a bloody shame.

We have got ordinary players now, so we need an extraordinary manager who isn't afraid to speak his mind. or experiment or be bold. But it will never happen with the establishment feckers at the FA.

I totally agree mate, that's is FAs all over the world for you

[jukel123 8,554]

My personal opinion is that a good coach is so much more than just a bloke that says "play this shape or that"......good players know how to play, but a good coach will watch, work and say what he has to on an individual and team level to make players beleive than can do more than they ever thought they could........they will see his passion, his elation and his devistation and a good coach will get them feeling it with him.

He is friend, critic, fan, nurse, inspiration and leader all rolled into one.

Jmho

Nailed it.

[Mito1223 20]

I still for the life of me cant understand why u would play hendo and dier in the same team. 2 sh*t DM's together.

 

But what do we expect? go through the team and compare the players to those in the other top 10 teams, they aint better so why should we expect to get far in international comps. We couldn't be Iceland in the euros and ive not seen much change apart from we've got another yes man in and Harry Kane isnt on corners lol

 

Im still not over the euros as u can see lol

[lurcherman 887 13,258]

How can southgate even be coach lol after that penalty he missed the cnut

[WILF 47,469]

I still for the life of me cant understand why u would play hendo and dier in the same team. 2 sh*t DM's together.

 

But what do we expect? go through the team and compare the players to those in the other top 10 teams, they aint better so why should we expect to get far in international comps. We couldn't be Iceland in the euros and ive not seen much change apart from we've got another yes man in and Harry Kane isnt on corners lol

 

Im still not over the euros as u can see lol

 

You play them because you play that shape.......it's effectively a 6 man defence.

Which probably tells you all you need to know ! Lol

[Shovel shy 4,033]

At club level there managed by guardiola mourinho wenger klopp pochettino and who ever else then garth f***ing Southgate at international level. Mind boggling